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I have this question that has been bottomed up for a long time. I would really love to hear your opinion regarding the activity of trading magic video with your friends or with some magician online. What do you think about this activity? All comments are welcome.
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This is not a right or wrong question. For many years, Family and Friends have loaned me audio tapes, CD's and Video's. If I like the material, I purchase my own copy because I like to own the things that I like and have them at my disposal without the need to ask to borrow the item again. My local library has over 600 movies on DVD and I borrow an average of two per week. I then go to the stores in search of those DVD's that I like and purchase them. I have bought items ONLY because I was able to borrow a copy and found that I really enjoyed it and wanted to own it. I can't afford to just go out and purchase an item, only to find out that I don't like it. Borrowing is a way to filter out the stuff I don't like from the stuff I do like. With that said I do believe that it is wrong to duplicate an item, therefore cheating the maker and originator out of their fair dues. I know that if I spend time to develop something only to have others reproduce it and not make the purchase, I would be discouraged from marketing anything else in the future.
Bottom line is, To borrow is OK, To duplicate not so good.
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The ideals that the magic community have, are always in question. But this one to me is black and white. Copying videos for any reason is copyright infringement. It is illegal. You may as well be stealing. It just a lot easier to do than shoplifting from your local Wal-Mart. (And we all know how they prosecute shoplifters.) There is no justification here. You just don't do it.

I agree that it is ok to borrow a video for the purpose of discovering if it is of use to you personally, but if you wish to add it to your collection, don't copy it - buy it!

Bottom line, would you break into Michael Ammar's house and steal his possesions? If you copy his videos, then you are in the same category as a common thief.
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Sorry Jim, I totally disagree, the reasons can be found here:

No, I wouldn't go into anyone's house and steal their possessions, because possessions often have a personal attachment value far greater than any monetary value. But we are talking about information. Information that is often freely available elsewhere.

If members of the Café are not here to share knowledge and information, what are they here for?

My understanding is that we are here to help each other, to contribute to a community and to further the art (and science) of magic. That CANNOT be achieved without a change in attitude. The attitude that 'If you can pay for it, you can have it' is no way to safeguard 'secrets'. - for when you fancy a debate or a quiet chat.
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So it's not okay to steal possessions, but it's okay to steal ideas or inventions?

Some people seem to think that just because they've learned a couple of tricks here and there that every other magician in the world is obligated to just GIVE them everything they request. I know; I used to be like that thirty years ago.

I had to, and on a very limited budget I might add, learn what I could, hone my skills, and then hope that someone would take me under their wing and teach me more. As it turns out, I've done the same to many other "young" magicians, but only after they've proved to me that they have a desire to learn in order to make themselves better..... not just know the secrets.

I'm sure that the attitude of those "gimme-what-I-want" magicians would change dramatically if they were the ones who were using their creativity to actually create something rather than just mimicking the things they learn for free from bootlegged tapes and the internet.

Giving of information is a two way street. There may be a time when one will just "get," but when one fails to give BACK to the magic community, then believe me, the information superhighway will become an abrupt dead end street.

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