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twistedace
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Does anybody use this? If you're not familiar with it, this is the gimmick that Jay Scott Berry uses for a lot of his work. I saw him use it personally and it looked great in his hands. I didn't have the cash to buy it at the time because I saw it at the end of a long day at the convention and you all know how that is Does anybody use this? If you're not familiar with it, this is the gimmick that Jay Scott Berry uses for a lot of his work. I saw him use it personally and it looked great in his hands. I didn't have the cash to buy it at the time because I saw it at the end of a long day at the convention and you all know how that is Smile Anyway...let me know what you people think of it?
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It is a great utility gimmick . Definitely worth getting.
I don't think it works as well in close-up situations , but if you're a few feet away from the audience then you're ok.
(unlike the good ol' TT , which is easier to conceal in both close up and stage applications)

Jay Scott Berry's thinking applied to Sanada is excellent.
The JSB video/dvd plus the gimmick is a bit more expensive,
but the gimmick is only $6.00 or 7.00 from most dealers.

If you saw JSB using it at a lecture and you have a good memory and/or took notes then you probably have what you need without purchasing the video/dvd. Or consider getting JSB's lecture notes
"Illusioneering 2000" (maybe the current version has been updated to "Illusioneering 2003" ?)
Misdirections Magic shop had the notes in stock last time I looked, and Denny also carries those notes . I think the notes are about $10.00 and they cover more than just the use of the JSB version of Sanada (JSB's is known as "the Cloaking Device") .
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Great item... get it. Smile
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I definitely don't recommend it for close-up work, I always got caught using it close-up, even though I couldn't see it! But I can see how wonderful a gimmick it is, and how useful it could be, if only I could use it!
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I use it in every close up show I do! I've used it in my sponge routine at my restaurant gig, 20 times a night, 5 nights a week for a nearly a decade!

It's even more invisible than a thumb tip, as it doesn't "stick out" from your hand. It's a beautiful. vesatile prop.

JSB uses a modified version that he calls the Cloaking Device. He covers the Sanada Gimmick with medical adhesive tape. This is required for the way he has adapted it, but it makes the gimmick much more visible, particularly at close quarters. I have the Cloaking Device, but I prefer the Sanada Gimmick. Also, the CD comes pre-sized, while you can size the SG to fit.
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Thanks for pointing that out , Scott.

When I posted earlier that "I don't think it works as well in close-up situations" I was , of course, referring to JSB's "Cloaking Device" , not the regular Sanada .
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I think Scott up there, must be the master. He vanishes 3 1.5" sponge balls with the SG and I just can't figure that one out. I don't feel comfortable with it like he does. I've never put one in production.

... and I don't want to use 1" sponge balls
... I'm in love with 2 inch sponge balls
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I've found that the "Unnatural" curve that my fingers were in while using this was a dead give-away that I was doing something unusual. My wife noticed right away and said "What's up with your hand?"

I was also a little unhappy with the lack of any *REAL* and substantial space using this gimmick. I solved it by placing it in some boiling water for a few minutes, straightening it a little, and then letting it cool.

My hand now looks a little more natural, and there is tons of space that I can use now.

David.
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Hey, now that's a good idea David.
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That is a good idea, I may have to dust it off and try again!
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I got it when I bought CREAM and it is brilliant. Better than a TT
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The best use of this device I've ever seen was shown to me by Fantasio and I think it's based on a Dan Garrett idea. You basically hold up your hand slightly curved as if you are holding something between the thumb and other fingers. You say, "An invisible egg." You then switch this invisible something to the other hand and say, "An invisible egg." You switch it again and there is an egg. You bring up a glass and crack the egg open. I was startled when I saw this because he did it right in my face.
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On 2003-08-13 07:49, Kronos9326 wrote:
I've found that the "Unnatural" curve that my fingers were in while using this was a dead give-away that I was doing something unusual. My wife noticed right away and said "What's up with your hand?"

I was also a little unhappy with the lack of any *REAL* and substantial space using this gimmick. I solved it by placing it in some boiling water for a few minutes, straightening it a little, and then letting it cool.

My hand now looks a little more natural, and there is tons of space that I can use now.

David.


I agree with Kronos. I shy away from my Sanada gimmick because it looks unnatural... like I have acute arthritis or something. It is a useful gimmick if used "quickly" as in Scott's PB&J routine. Mr. Guinn's routine is about the only use I have for the Sanada gimmick.
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Henry Evans uses this gimmick to a very good extent in his latest DVD series. Worth getting if you're into it.
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Henry Evans' use of the gimmick for in his back in time routine is great.
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Dan Garret introduced me to this gimick at a lecture last year. I use it to produce an egg at the beginning of my shows as I talk about the meaning of magic.

I've not used it in closeup. I don't think it would fit what I do in that arena. But I've been very pleased with it for that one effect!
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Right after Fantasio performed and explained how he did it I went out and bought a Sanada. I was completely baffled when the egg suddenly appear in an opened hand. It's beautiful thinking.
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OK, everybody try this. Hold your hand in front of your face, palm toward you, fingers pointing to the side. Now let your hand drop to your lap or the table (Little finger resting on the leap or table), but relax your hand completely as it drops. Look at your hand. Unless you are deformed or tense, your fingers will be curled--considerably more so than when a properly sized Sanada Gimmick is in place!

The key to the Sanada (and I use it for tons of stuff besides my sponge routine) is to RELAX your hand that doesn't have it on--it will look very similar. Further, by holding something at the tips of the fingers of the that hand (like a purse frame in my sponge routine or another bill in my bill to lemon) the hand becomes completely natural and the gimmick invisible.

Remember, lay-audiences aren't sitting there thinking, "I wonder if he has some gimmick that looks like part of his fingers where he hides stuff?" It's obvious to you, because YOU ALREADY KNOW IT EXISTS!

I got one of these back when they were first released in The States and no one knew about them. I did a lecture tour and NOT ONE magician in the room at ANY of over 20 lectures had any clue how I was vanishing the sponges. In fact, just to be onery, at one lecture I put on a thumb tip that I carelessly flashed all over the place. I used the SG to vanish the 3 balls at the end of my routine. When i finished, a VERY well known "name" said, "That's the smoothest load of a thumbtip I've ever seen, but you need to work on hiding it from view more during the rest of the routine!" I smiled, sneakily and said, "Oh, I don't use a TT for this routine." I pulled off the empty TT and tossed it to him. The room went ballistic!

Kronos, I imagine your wife noticed right away for a couple of reasons. You weren't comfortable and were self-conscious because the SG was new to you and you didn't have confidence in it, and she's your wife. The people closest to us are so familiar with our everyday moves and mannerisms that they will catch us on anything that is even slightly out of sync. After you learn to relax and are comfortable, though, I'd bet my reputation that your audiences won't have a clue!

Frank--if you're having trouble with the load of the balls at the end of PB&J, you're working too hard! Or you haven't sized the gimmick properly. There's nothing to it. You have to use supersoft balls and you just jam them down in to the base of the gimmick. Then the other hand helps close the gimmick under cover of a false transfer. Perhaps it'll be clear to you if you watch my DVD explanation. Just one ball or a bill, billet, finger ring, etc, is a piece of cake.

I am a big believer in this gimmick, as you can probably tell. It has significantly increased the power and "Cleanliness" of my magic, both stage and close up. It is not as cumbersome or visible as a TT and is also MUCH more angle-friendly. I still use a TT, too, but I like the SG better, and it has never been exposed to the general public or sold in magic sets at toy stores. So you even fool "the wise ones" who know about the TT.

I cannot recommend this too highly.
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Very well said Scott! This is an invaluable utility device!
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I use this just about everyday when doing a short little routine when people ask me "show me something". It gets them everytime. Smile
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