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iugefu Veteran user 387 Posts |
Looking for a (12 inch silk) dye tube.
Rice sells a version where both ends have been 'rounded', I'm looking for the type where one side is rounded (where silk exits), other side straight (like the rest of the tube, and where one would insert the middle finger) ie the dye tube ought be shaped similarly to the small plastic (Tenyo?) tube used for colour changing silks. Anyone help? Thank you! |
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Jef Eaton Special user 526 Posts |
Morrisey makes a rounded edge with a tape divider that I use and like the feel of it. It sells for around $20.
I use the diamond cut 18 inch silks with it.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Jef makes two good contributions here. Morrisey does have good dye tubes as does Rice.
One of the other great professional contributions is the reference to using 18" diamond cut silks rather than the traditional 12" square silks. Not only does it fit, but it appears to be a 24" square silk. (A 24" square silk is 4X the size of the 12" square silk!) Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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iugefu Veteran user 387 Posts |
Thank you Bob. Do you know perhaps if they have the particular one referred to above? (I know Rice does not.)
Dye tube also must not have a ribbon, or 'push' mechanism. |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
There has never been a dye tube with a tape divider as you described. Rice Studies use to make a simplex type dye tube with one end not turned in for their Repeat Silk to outside side Pocket trick. It did not have a divider tape.
Do you know the difference in the action of a tape and none tape dye tube. The tape version pushes everything in the dye tube out of the device all at one. The none tape version pushes the silk out gradually, a little at a time. |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
The last "push" plunger type one I got, I got from Ruth Rice.
I also have several of the tape types that are at least 30 years old. I have no idea where I got them. Some are two-piece and can be repaired and modified. (Just get a plumber or air conditioner repairman to use a tubing cutter and make what you want from copper tubing. The tubing cutter will give you a rolled edge to help you handled the dye tube and to keep the silk in.) I do not sell dye tubes, but even some of my own are made from plastic pill bottles with flesh colored Band-Aids on them! The cloth type Band-Aid is best. (Yes, you'll have to cut off the bottom of the pill bottle to make a tube. I use a hacksaw.) Personally, the tape type dye tube does not appeal to me. It can cause a wreck! Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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Jef Eaton Special user 526 Posts |
You have to flip the tube for the second color change, but the tape divider helps keep the other hank from peeking out of the tube.
It is personal preference to which you are most comfortable with. Vernet makes a plastic one like their T-tips that is egg shaped like the Porper tube, but I was not as comfortable with it after using the Morrisey one for 30 plus years.
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<BR>jjeaton@aol.com <BR>Creator of what my Mom thinks are the funniest kid show props around! |
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iugefu Veteran user 387 Posts |
Morrisey sells a rounded (currently sold out) and non rounded version.
Is the 'rounded' one rounded on both ends? Thanks. |
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Jef Eaton Special user 526 Posts |
Mine is rounded on both ends.
kandumagic.com
<BR>jjeaton@aol.com <BR>Creator of what my Mom thinks are the funniest kid show props around! |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
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On 2011-04-23 07:04, iugefu wrote: Listen, again I will say, there is No such dye tube on the market! |
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
Easy! Easy! Here's a pictoral lesson on what you all seem to call Dye Tubes these days:
http://cgi.ebay.com/GENUINE-RICES-DYE-TU......49276665 To me, only the big black ones are dye tubes. Dye tubes are used for changing the colors of more than one silk at a time and the name "Dye Tube" is usually used in connection with a paper tube for concealment, which is why they can come in such large sizes. The little flesh color thingees are for use in changing the color of one silk at a time and to me they are properly called CC silk gimmicks or Color Change Silk Gimmicks, not dye tubes. The Simplex shown is one of the tapeless varieties. While Bill was asleep, someone came along and made a whole bunch of varieties of these color-changing silk gimmicks, and you can see some of them in the Rice Encyclopedias of silk, Volume 2. Now that plastic tubes are so easy to find, you can make your own varieties with curved ends or straight ends, with ribbon dividers or plain. Plunger dividers are a little more difficult to make yourself, but if you are stubborn, have at it! Now, I am going back to sleep. If any more varieties come along while I am sleeping, don't tell me. I like to discover new types on my own.
Professor Spellbinder
Professor Emeritus at the Turkey Buzzard Academy of Magik, Witchcraft and Wizardry http://www.magicnook.com Publisher of The Wizards' Journals |
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iugefu Veteran user 387 Posts |
Wmhegbli, check the Morrisey website if you don't believe me.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Iugefu, you discribed a hand dye tube with a curved end and on the other end straight, plus a ribbon divider. Again, there has never been a hand dye tube such as this.
Morrissey Magic does make each kind, but with the ends identical rounded or straight ends or openings. If you want one as you disribed take Bob Sanders advice and make one your self. A trip to the hardware store and a fabric shop will get you the materials needed. |
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hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
Morrisey has both ends the same. It is always very easy to add a tape into a tube.
Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
www.hughesmagic.com email-hugmagic@raex.com Write direct as I will be turning off my PM's. |
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JNeal Inner circle I used to have 999 posts, now I have 1617 Posts |
Spellbinder- I think the reason so may people call all the gimmicks (hand held or otherwise)'Dye Tubes' is that the handling of the Simplex, Palmo and other Rice branded devices as well as the plunger tubes were written up and taught in the very concise but complete: "Thru' the Dye Tube' book.
This book led us to follow the author's example and call them all dye tubes. As to the discussion about turned in ends and tape/ribbon tube, for me, it's one or the other. By and large, the purpose of turned in ends or the internal ribbon is the same: to prevent the extras silks from popping out of the tube after having been 'changed'. So my thought is that you don't need both turned in ends and a ribbon since they both do the same job. Kinda' like wearing a belt with suspenders! LOL Regards- JNeal
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
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On 2011-04-24 09:13, wmhegbli wrote: One of the things I have learned in my sixty-three years in magic is to "never say never." This pronouncement that there ain't no such beast has been driving me crazy because I distinctly remembered having one of these in my possession. I finally got mad enough to drag out all my old boxes and drawers of assorted gimmicks and dang if I didn't find it. I even remember what it was used for (but not who manufactured it or from whom or when I bought it, because I certainly didn't make this because I don't work in aluminum). It has one end curved in and the other end is actually flared outwards a bit, although it could have been simply made straight and un-curved at all. It has a ribbon divider. It appears to be 20-30 years old or so. What I used it for: there were times when I liked to be able to eject the occupant silk immediately and all at once into my hand at the moment I began poking the other silk into the curved end of the gimmick. The curved end allowed for a good finger grip for removal, while the flared (or straight) end allowed for instant ejection of the original occupant silk. The ribbon divider was needed so that the second silk did not keep on going through the tube and on out the flared end. There. Debate is over. I found the critter. Don't make me photograph it to prove it. Just "never say never" again. Wasn't that a movie?
Professor Spellbinder
Professor Emeritus at the Turkey Buzzard Academy of Magik, Witchcraft and Wizardry http://www.magicnook.com Publisher of The Wizards' Journals |
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hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
Ok. But I do not know of any being made currently or in the last 20 years,
If I really wanted one end straight, I would buy a double flared end and straighten one end or flare in a straight ended tube. Just never found the need. Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
www.hughesmagic.com email-hugmagic@raex.com Write direct as I will be turning off my PM's. |
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iugefu Veteran user 387 Posts |
That's good advice Richard, and exactly what I'm going to do.
To me its obvious- the rounded edge for preventing the silk coming out too quick The straight side, for whipping the tube away with middle finger. But clearly obvious to me only! |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
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On 2011-04-25 05:24, iugefu wrote: If you experience the what you suggest, you may find, this more difficult to actually do. A curved end help the finger secure the tube. A straight side is more difficult, and the finger may slip out without carrying the tube with it. These different tube endings require different handlings. The straight end is taken between the finger and thumb. The curved end is hooked and carried out more easily buy only the finger. Watch Pat Page Color Changing Silk for the handling of a straight end tube with tape. I believe your methodology is in error as the handling of each type of feature. Unless you have a 1" size second finger. |
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manal Inner circle York ,PA. 1412 Posts |
I read this thread but am a little frazzled as I worked two 12 Hr 7PM to 7AM shifts this weekend and haven't slept yet since getting home this morning. Just what is the small handheld little tube with the tape called?
I have one made by Johnson I got at a brick and mortar 5 or 6 years ago and it is great. The printed instructions call it a dye tube. Both ends are slightly turned in and it has a white cloth woven tape in the middle. Has a nice heft to it and the paint is in perfect shape. Works great for me. I use the handling from Gansons Routined Manipulations to change a solid color 9 inch silk ( blue, red or yellow) into a pink silk with a black and white skunk on it from Lafflin that was on sale a few years ago. |
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