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Jonathan Townsend
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On 2011-04-28 11:22, MaxfieldsMagic wrote:
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On 2011-04-25 19:45, Sammy J. wrote:

Dealers apparently are purchasing them and melting them down for the Silver content.



That should be a crime, if it's not. Those coins are part of our history.


Please, have a good read of our history. And kindly don't skip the last few phases of our history of minting and melting down silver dollars and even forcing folks to sell their silver and gold coins.
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I'm melting down all my Schoolcraft Barbers for scrap!
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On 2011-04-28 22:10, Xcath1 wrote:
I can't believe that the silver in a complex shelled gaff will ever be worth more than what you paid for the gaff. You paid for the 2,3 or 4 silver coins needed to make something that now contains the silver of little more than a single coin. I wonder if the Gaff makers have a way to salvage the shaveings and reduce their costs.


Silver gaffs will appreciate in value due purely to the price of silver. Not the actual silver content of the gaffs but the prices paid by gaff creators who must buy silver coins at ever increasing costs. They will surely reflect those increases in their gaff prices. So if you get rid of a silver gaff now and then decide to buy one later, you may pay double what your first purchase was; probably even more. I'm already seeing greatly increased prices for gaffs I just purchased last year!

Jim
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On 2011-04-27 18:20, Bryce Spears wrote:
There are some that think silver will hit the $300-$400/oz range. I highly doubt it though.

I think it will peak at under $100. Like I said, I hope I'm proven wrong.
I agree with Alan's post on this: as long as the Federal Reserve are going to keep printing money (over $3 Trillion in new currency in the last four years), then gold and silver are going to continue going up. (Not to mention that there's actually less silver on the planet than gold.) I expect that, in three years, people will WISH they could buy silver for $100/ounce.

As such, silver gaffs will continue to get harder and harder to find. Why? Because the coins themselves are sometimes harder to find.

Quick story: I was going to buy silver again from APMEX last Friday and kept refreshing my screen to get the best price. I walked away from the computer, never pulled the trigger and -- when I came back -- they were completely sold out of American Silver Eagles....all dates....all grades. I wound up buying Canadian Maple Leafs which are just as good as far as an investment. The next day, I realized that APMEX had Eagles back in stock so I called to change my order. The guy said, "Well, we can't really change your order....we can only cancel it and start a new one. But you've actually made money on your Maple Leafs since yesterday." So, I kept the order.

So, there's still a lot of silver out there but it's being scrambled for. The Royal Canadian Mint reported last month that they were having trouble finding enough silver to mint coins.

Anyway, the point is this: silver is now in the spotlight as one of the best investments in the world. People are grabbing them up for investing...for hedging against inflation....for asset protection....for passing down to their children....

.....when you consider how small the market is for gaffed coins, there's going to be much lower demand for buying gaffed coin sets when they cost $1,000+. Smile

If you've got 'em....keep 'em.

Tony
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On 2011-04-26 00:44, Sammy J. wrote:
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On 2011-04-25 21:18, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
How about a foil press for single coins and a mold to make stacks?

I don't get the connect.

Cheers,
Sammy


Have a look in the Downs book.
This old idea is, IMHO a more sensible/extensible gaff approach than simply making things which are handled as "precious" and yet offer little more than "oh look a coin the same size and shape now appears different - what a huge change I'm so impressed - and now there are more of them - can I see them - no? figured" anyway.
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On 2011-04-29 13:51, gaddy wrote:
I'm melting down all my Schoolcraft Barbers for scrap!

Not a Schoolcraft fan......Lassen must be your man.
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On 2011-04-29 13:51, gaddy wrote:
I'm melting down all my Schoolcraft Barbers for scrap!

Not a Schoolcraft fan......Lassen must be your man.


Please, please don't get all personal about this stuff. It does not help us today and both of them may evolve their attitudes over time.
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On 2011-04-30 13:32, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
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On 2011-04-30 13:07, Wes65 wrote:
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On 2011-04-29 13:51, gaddy wrote:
I'm melting down all my Schoolcraft Barbers for scrap!

Not a Schoolcraft fan......Lassen must be your man.



Please, please don't get all personal about this stuff. It does not help us today and both of them may evolve their attitudes over time.

Actually this was my poor attempt at humor.
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Wes, folks, if you read the FAQ here and at most online fora you'll find a clear mention that humor is very difficult to get into text.

Never mind that most of us aren't funny. Smile

So, any thoughts on who to ask for a good foil press to make stacks and singles for those wild and crazy tricks?
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On 2011-04-28 22:10, Xcath1 wrote:
I wonder if the Gaff makers have a way to salvage the shaveings and reduce their costs.


Absolutely. I have seen the stored up shavings.

The thing that is tough now is finding good coins to make those sets.

Sammy
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Yea I saw Lassen's pile of them last time I was up!
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I started magic a few days ago and remember contacting Xavier Blemont to ask for the price of his silver gaffs. I foung them too expensive for an immediate puchase and waited to be sure I was going to continue coin magic. I finally bought his set this year twice the price he proposed then, and I do not regret it AT ALL. I'm still too inexperienced to use all of this gaffs efficiently but will keep them like a treasure...
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Xavier Belmont, sorry for the misspelling.
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Ho, and I wrote "a few days ago", but it was a few YEARS ago... so so sorry! What was I thinking when I typed this?
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YEA Time flys fast!!! I am allways doing that! Smile
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By the way, gold and silver are both down today, supposedly in response to bin Laden's death.

At any rate, if you're looking for a good price on smooth-looking Morgan Dollars, check out APMEX.com.
Here's a direct link: http://www.apmex.com/Product/55070/1878_......ood.aspx

Tony
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So, I guess the 64,000 dollar question or statement actually, is I cannot expect anyone to make a morgan dollar shell with one of those "metal" asian coins?
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On 2011-04-28 23:17, Jonathan Townsend wrote:

Please, have a good read of our history. And kindly don't skip the last few phases of our history of minting and melting down silver dollars and even forcing folks to sell their silver and gold coins.


Regardless, these coins are now part of our history. I even have a problem on some level with chopping them up to make gaffs, although I'm guilty of supporting that particular industry. But really, I don't see a big difference between melting a Morgan dollar for its silver and melting Civil War belt buckles for the metal, or dismantling historic buildings to reuse the stone.
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Jonathan Townsend
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There's plenty of things in our history that we've left behind.
And some that perhaps we would do well to leave behind.

If old coins work for your performing character - great.
And if you can use foil to make what you need - that might be an option.
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Some relief may be in sight for our gaff makers (and us):

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424......280.html

Apparently, one major buyer of gold and silver (George Sorros) has begun to sell.

Regards,

Alan
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