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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
How should we respond to stressful events in our lives? Should we maintain a "stiff upper lip," have a stiff drink, or blame some other stiff?
Here's a report of an interesting study: Quote:
Something is happening at the end of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that mental health experts are finding hard to explain: British and American soldiers appear to be having markedly different reactions to the stress of combat. In America, there has been a sharp increase in the number experiencing mental-health problems, including post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Between 2006 and 2007 alone, there was a 50 per cent jump in cases of combat stress among soldiers and suicides more than doubled. Why the precipitous rise? And why hasn't there been an accompanying rise in these symptoms among British troops? Managing expectations is very important in many areas of our lives and work. Woland |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Soldiers in an immoral war, doing immoral things to innocent men, women, and children are not a management problem, sorry.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
The article had nothing to do with the Taliban or Al Qaeda.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
You'd like to find ways to make soldiers more efficient killing machines. But they are human and their souls won't let them do murder and remain unscathed.
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
How long are British deployed to Afganastan? Do the British ever go outside the wire on patrols?
Some of our soldiers are on the fourth or fifth deployment. My nephew was recently on his fifth deployment to Afganastan. He is in the Infantry and went to Iraq three times and Afganastan twice. These were 15 month deployments.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Good Lord, that is brutal. I hope he comes home safe and stays home.
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seadog93 Inner circle 3200 Posts |
I feel like I read this recently. maybe I scanned it but didn't read it enough to comment?
Anyways, I think that this is a really interesting article. Thanks for posting it. I know that in my life (which is no way even remotely close to combat) I have had to deal with depression. Most people experiencing what I experienced would not have any difficulties at all, and I believe it has a lot to do with my expectations, beliefs and judgments over what is happening.
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
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On 2011-04-28 22:18, landmark wrote: I have to agree here. I wish we did not have to fight each other, period. War is a no win situation. It is sad.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Pakar Ilusi,
Of course we don't have to fight "each other." But as the late Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., said, if you have nothing to die for, you have nothing to live for. And as Leon Trotsky put it, you might not be interested in war, but war is interested in you. I don't intend to be drawn into an argument offered by those who have repeatedly explained that they prefer tyranny to freedom. The point of the article, and the reason I brought it up, was the comparison between certain aspects of British and American societies, and the illustration that in many respects, the world is the way you look at it. Managing expectations is an important aspect of many of life's activities. This is one of them, with very serious consequences for the people involved. Woland |
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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts |
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On 2011-04-29 00:43, edh wrote: Thank You EDH. I believe you nailed it. As soon as I read this I was ready to say the same thing you did, except I don't have any relatives at war as far as I know. A Friend of mine did a double tour in Iraq then got out (he was lucky). Woland wrote: Woland wrote: "I don't intend to be drawn into an argument offered by those who have repeatedly explained that they prefer tyranny to freedom". Tyranny is a Utopian concept. Tyranny could be very a very good thing. It's Man's inhumanity and greed that makes Tyranny a bad deal. Funny thing is, Government rule is not much better than Tyranny because too many (most?) in Government are greedy and some don't even have much, if any compassion for their fellow man (dick chaney?). Iven
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
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On 2011-04-28 22:11, Woland wrote: Why is that? Don't the Taliban or Al Qaeda suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and apart from having the odd dinner at the White House do they get any leave?
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Well, tommy, when you believe that waging warfare and decapitating infidels is a sacrament of your faith, there may not be anything "traumatic" about doing it for you to get any "stress" from participating in it at all, much less any "disorder." But even if they did, the article discussed only British and American combatants.
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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts |
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On 2011-04-29 08:25, irossall wrote: Whoop's! My brain did not wake up all the way this morning. I ment to say Anarchy not tyranny. What a dumb error on my part (makes me sound like an idiot). I need to read my own posts before being so quick to hit the submit button. Iven
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
I'd like to know if the trauma comes out in other ways for the Brits. They may just not be reporting their symptoms due to cultural expectations. That doesn't necessarily mean they don't have them. Nor does it mean that *if* they are bottling this stuff up that it's good for them to do so.
An example: Women report far more clinical depression than men. Does that mean that women are more depressed? Or is it that men are conforming to a "boys don't cry" expectation? So, as they say, "more research is needed."
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seadog93 Inner circle 3200 Posts |
Good points.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Yes, critter, you are absolutely right about that. It is one thing to describe a stoic attitude from the outside, and perhaps something else from the inside.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
On 2011-04-29 07:39, Woland wrote:
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I don't intend to be drawn into an argument offered by those who have repeatedly explained that they prefer tyranny to freedom. Interesting perspective from someone who prefers the torturers of Chile and Argentina to elected governments. Quote:
The point of the article, and the reason I brought it up, was the comparison between certain aspects of British and American societies, and the illustration that in many respects, the world is the way you look at it. If this were truly your agenda, you could have chosen from a myriad of non-murder related examples. And I gotta love the MLK reference about being willing to die. He was murdered, for, among other things, challenging a war as senseless as the current ones. He repeatedly asked soldiers and the American public to listen to their consciences and defy the War. He didn't accuse those who were upset about killing of being whiners, which is essentially the article's point of view.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Nothing like quoting from your colonialist heroes. The same gent that celebrated:
Take up the White Man's burden— Send forth the best ye breed— Go, bind your sons to exile To serve your captives' need; To wait, in heavy harness, On fluttered folk and wild— Your new-caught sullen peoples, Half devil and half child. Here's a song about what the soldiers for the British East India Company and their families really suffered, fighting in their wars. A nice performance by Ms. Baez: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPwGrM-oHaM Quote: With your drums and guns and guns and drums, hurroo, hurroo
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Christopher Rinaldi Veteran user 347 Posts |
Is it good to have a stiff upper lip?
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