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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
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On 2011-05-02 22:56, Dannydoyle wrote: I think it's possible to look at it as an asymptote. Obviously, if something IS impossible, then it wouldn't be in a magic show, because, well, it wouldn't have been possible to do it. Since we're talking about the illusion of impossibility, the gradation would be on the degree of conviction in the illusion.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I'm with Andrew - the sense of "what are you willing to risk/bet/invest" as regards the can/can't of a situation.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I always aim for simplicity in respect of the trick, “the trick” being what makes it tick, the sleight etc. The effect will seem more imposible the less one seems to have done in achieving it, it seems me to. Simplicity is a most difficult thing. To make a coin vanish is one thing but to make a coin vanish by merely looking at it is quite another.
It might be cool if you showed them you can't do it wearing shades.
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
Have the spectator accomplish said effect without knowing how they accomplished it before or afters...
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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HerbLarry Special user Poof! 731 Posts |
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On 2011-05-03 07:31, Pakar Ilusi wrote: This is good.
You know why don't act naive.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I think Whit Hayden takes a great bite out of the problem with the color changing knife routine. Heck right in the middle of the routine he builds expectation, removes the tension by saying it is impossible, then later comes back and DOES EXACTLY what was said couldn't be done!
As I said it can be routined arround.
Danny Doyle
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
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On 2011-05-03 09:25, HerbLarry wrote: Thanks...
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On 2011-05-03 07:07, tommy wrote: This is a great goal. I will go to any amount of work and practice to make something appear to be effortless and simple to the viewer. The dichotomy is that this can sometimes be a very complex process to arrrive at the apperence of simplicity!
Ray Pierce
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Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts |
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On 2011-05-03 12:12, Ray Pierce wrote: For what it's worth I found the following to have been extraordinarily helpful in this regard: One: Anything by Dai Vernon: Shows how mechanics can be made elegant and the underlying philosophy of same. Two: Everything by Ted Annemann: Studying Annemann will show you the genius in simplicity. Best,
Brad Burt
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Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
Karrell Fox didn't just make things look simple, he made them simple in fact.
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Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts |
Whit:
Karrell's stuff is great. I remember reading my first Fox book and thinking, "No way will some of this material work!" Dug a little deeper and tried some and by golly...it did work! Best,
Brad Burt
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On 2011-05-03 12:28, Brad Burt wrote: Absolutely. Elegance is such a great word to describe Vernon's thinking. Annemann had the same efficiency of thought in his methodology. I relate both to what we call in audio "Signal to Noise Ratio" which is the amount of pure tone you get in relationship to how much interference or noise there is in the mix. In magic I call it "Effect to Method Ratio" When the method is more interesting than the perceived effect, maybe something is a little wrong. Quote:
On 2011-05-03 13:30, Whit Haydn wrote: Lex Parsimoniae Always the best answer if possible. I just want the "best" effect. If this can be accomplished with a simple method, all the better!
Ray Pierce
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2011-05-02 10:10, Count Lustig wrote: You are correct and here's the quote in context. Thanks.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On 2011-05-03 19:15, Jonathan Townsend wrote: There is such a wealth of knowledge in that book. I think asking ourselves "What's the point?" should be a point of departure for every effect we do!
Ray Pierce
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Alan Wheeler Inner circle Posting since 2002 with 2038 Posts |
What's the point?
The "meta" point depends on your philosophy of magic: Pure magic: magic for magic's sake as an aesthetic worthy unto itself Artistic magic: magic performed in harmony with an artistic movement, style, or vision Vehicle magic: magic for the sake of a message, sentiment, or personality As far as I can understand so far, using context or meaning can work on any of these levels. In pure magic, the context is closest to the impossible demonstartion itself, as I think the ham sandwhich example shows. The practical context of magic on demand works to enhance the experience of the impossible more than it works to add beauty, truth, showmanship, or other elements.
The views and comments expressed on this post may be mere speculation and are not necessarily the opinions, values, or beliefs of Alan Wheeler.
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On 2011-05-03 20:44, Alan Wheeler wrote: This is such a great comment and is one of the reasons there is such a wealth of knowledge on these boards. This doesn't just apply to the arc of the effect but more importantly... What is OUR reason for doing an effect? What does it say about us? How is it furthering our connection with the audience? ... or is it just to show off? I always spend a while asking myself so many questions when selecting effects about my reasons for wanting to present it to an audience. These choices say so much about us as performers. Does each effect show a different side of us as people? Does the effect take us on a new journey for an unexpected discovery? Does the effect illustrate some larger concept or philosophy we want to share? Does it aim to meet the needs of the viewer or is it to satisfy our ego and needs? What is really the point of us doing each effect? True introspection of all of these questions might improve our choices in so many areas.
Ray Pierce
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mahucharn Elite user 418 Posts |
Impromptu effects with seemingly no effort.
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idomagic Loyal user Denver, CO 255 Posts |
This is a great thread. It also confirms we may all need psychotherapy.
I still adhere to one basic principle when it comes to impossible "the harder you try to hide, the harder they try to find". It's also called running and other metaphoric terms. Making something seem harder may actually backfire and make it seem more "tricky like" and less truly "magical." I love this job!
Chad Wonder (Chad Wonder Magic, Inc)
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Too perfect? . . .
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ancientmagic Regular user Tucson AZ 112 Posts |
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On 2011-05-01 04:10, Andrew Musgrave wrote: IMHO, this is the best approach to increasing the impossibility factor in an effect. To re-coin Sherlock Holmes, "When you eliminate the most probable, that which remains must be the impossible." John
"In victory you deserve champagne…in defeat you need it!" –Napoleon Bonaparte
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