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Ron Crumley Elite user 1950 - 2012 448 Posts |
Realizing that the Mastermind and Get Sharkey decks have obvious differences, applications and prices, here's the question:
If you could own (free of charge) only one of these decks, which one would it be, and why? I don't ask out of mere curiosity. I own one and am considering selling it and buying the other, but I want to make the "right" educated investment. Thanks in advance for your experienced responses. |
gabelson Inner circle conscientious observer 2137 Posts |
One need not make that choice anymore- now that Max Krause's "MUD" deck has arrived. -It does everything both of the aforementioned decks do and SO much more. In fact, I'd be hogging space here if I went into all the effects you can perform with the MUD deck. Honestly, I believe this to be the most brilliant gaffed deck since the I.D. When Max demo'd this for me on Skype (which he is more than willing to do for any of you, I'm sure), my jaw dropped further and further open. Once you see this deck in action, you'll immediately hit the purchase button. I guarantee it. Man, is this thing good.
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On 2011-05-03 15:30, gabelson wrote: I totally agree that Max's M.U.D. is pure genius - I own it and I have been blown away by it's many capabilities. The M.U.D. deck does have have a capability to show different cards, spec gets a peek at one, and card disappears to impossible location - so far so good....but... cards cannot be examined. No way. To me comparing Sharky and M.U.D. is apples and oranges - and direct comparisons should not be made as both stand as outstanding (but totally different) methods of the impossible location plot. However - the brilliant part of the Get Sharky is how examinable the cards are by the spectator IN THEIR HANDS. That simply frys specs - and that is probably why Get Sharky was picked at the product of the year by Café members. That being said I take nothing from Max's new M.U.D. deck and I feel it is groundbreaking in the multiple effects possible with g****d deck - very cleanly. I anticipate that this will be seen as the Swiss Army Knife of decks - but just like a Swiss knife there are times when you want or need the bigger dedicated blade. Now to the question of Mastermind vs Get Sharky - well that is also apples and oranges. Mastermind (or the Monte Cristo deck) is great for an ACAAN effect - ambitious card - and many others. But again the cards cannot be handled by the spec. So to answer the direct question - if you want the squeaky cleanest way to make a card disappear - Get Sharky is the route to take. Of course I rave about Sharky all the time here (what do you expect), so others will chime in with their opinions.
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drphil Elite user 443 Posts |
Call me crazy,I want all three. plus the others as well.
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Dick Christian Inner circle Northern Virginia (Metro DC) 2619 Posts |
Every "special" deck has its pros and cons and most will enable the performer to do something that the others will not. I have dozens of them, including some of the lesser known, and there are only a very few with which I am not at least passingly familiar. Most are designed or intended to accomplish only one or two effects. Among the exceptions are the Deland Automatic Deck created by T.L. DeLand in 1913 (and rarely seen today although I believe it is still available from some dealers) and now Max Krause's M.U.D.
Saysold1 has hit the nail in the head with his comments/recommendation re: the unparalleled versatility of the M.U.D. and there is little I can add to his endorsement. Having said that, as saysold1 has noted, Get Sharkey has one salient feature that I have never seen in any other deck and that is the COMPLETE EXAMINABILITY of the cards BY THE SPECTATOR -- a trait that is essential for the most baffling presentation of the effect for which they are designed.
Dick Christian
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
I have owned "Get Sharky" and I would not say it offered 'complete examinability'. Specs can certainly spread through the deck without difficulty, but if the spec looked at a card (or cards) individually it would not take long to notice the work.
The good news is that, because the spec *can* spread through the cards, there will be an assumption that the cards are normal. BUT, I would be a bit careful that the spec does not have the opportunity to look deeper into the cards themselves. This, fortunately, is not difficult to do.
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts |
I can only comment on Get Sharky and Mastermind as I own both. Mastermind (which I’ve performed on several occasions) is indeed good, for what it is, but there is absolutely no comparison between the two when it comes to GS. You are limited to one card with MM and aside from the obvious fact that neither the card nor the deck can be examined in any way.
I just received GS last week and have not yet had a chance to perform it. I had the same experience that a couple of others had on another thread about GS in that when I first received it I thought that perhaps I had been sent a regular deck by mistake! That is how well made it is. I’ve handled the GS deck quite a lot, and obviously quite aware of what it is, just to try and get the feel of it from a spectators point of view, or perhaps better put, in a spectator handling it. So far I can’t really see any problem whatsoever in letting the spectator spread through the cards several times if you hand the deck to them as you should. Even if you don’t, there will more likely than not be any issue. Other than that it simply comes down to audience management and you’re certainly not going to let the spectator handle the deck to his or her hearts delight as that would be sheer stupidity, and there is really no justification or need in doing so in the first place. Combine Get Sharky with a regular different colored back Phoenix deck with six force cards, as in an ID, and you have a killer effect in your hands. I personally, am not all that crazy about the one armed magician aspect of it simply because I feel that GS deserves more rather than such a simple and fast, as it were, presentation. However, that’s only my opinion. As for Max’s M.U.D. I certainly can’t comment on it as I don’t own it. I’m sure it’s quite good and it seems to be open to several presentations, but so does GS if you put your mind to it. I guess the bottom line is that I’ll more often than not opt for something that can be examined rather than not. In my personal opinion, go for the gold and.....”Get Sharky”!
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
If the cards are handed correctly to the spec - there is 99% zero to see. Also Cardshark has recommended an idea from David Roth - to lightly glue the front and back cards closed completely. With these in mind, casually handing the Get Sharky deck to a spectator, one should never see anything other than a missing card
I'm not disagreeing that a spectator COULD see the work - sure they could. But they shouldn't - I've never had an issue in a year of performing it.
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Jerskin Inner circle 2497 Posts |
MUD sounds great. Anyone have his other decks? Pro Svengali or mirage?
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Dick Christian Inner circle Northern Virginia (Metro DC) 2619 Posts |
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On 2011-05-08 15:20, Chessmann wrote: Okay, I will concede that point re "complete examinability." However, I just spent the morning at a three day showcase event here where I am one of five professional magicians showcasing their programs. I performed "Get Sharkey" for one who had not seen or heard of it. He examined that cards -- both faces and backs -- and, although he initially suspected the method, could not detect it until I actually SHOWED the gaff to him. While it is true that given enough time with a single card, someone COULD discover the "secret" but I'd still say that it is a close to "completely examinable" as any gimmicked deck can be. The odds that someone who does not know exactly what to look for is going to find it? . . . IMO next to zero!
Dick Christian
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
Why is it that people only want to hand out their gaffed magic props for examination? No one ever hands out their non-gaffed items!
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
Lol
Thanks I needed that! So true... I'm going to start passing out my ID going forward - to h*ll with it.
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Dick Christian Inner circle Northern Virginia (Metro DC) 2619 Posts |
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On 2011-05-11 00:01, J-Mac wrote: In most cases one shouldn't hand out anything -- gaffed or not -- "for examination." However, one of the unique strengths of "Get Sharkey" is that after the spectator peeks at and remembers a card, the performer claims to have magically caused the card to vanish from the deck and deposit itself in his pocket. As proof of that claim, the deck is handed to the spectator who is told to find his card -- upon looking through the deck the spectator is forced to admit that the chosen card has, in fact, vanished and is no longer in the deck . . . where upon the performer produces is from his pocket. In this case the spectator DOES "examine" the deck -- not "for examination" but in attempt to find the chosen card; i.e., there is a logical rationale for allowing the spectator freely handle the deck in a vain attempt to "find" the card.
Dick Christian
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
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On 2011-05-11 00:01, J-Mac wrote: Sure, they do! Not that it really matters, though.
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
Another funny story: I just returned from a 3-day business meeting with my Card-Shark Printing Facility that also produces the Double Deckers. I performed Get Sharky for the sales person there, and even he, who knows all the paper qualities they can supply, was baffled. And could NOT find the secret to it.
BTW, this playing card company rocks, there was an issue on upcoming decks that were printed, where I could not accept the printing quality. We found a solution how to increase the quality control to an extremely high level and they commited in completely reprinting the last run. This will only take maybe 10 days from now on. Try this with USPCC!!!! NEVER EVER would that happen. Boys, a lot of new stuff is coming soon, surely all on Phoenix cards. The hottest for sure: Joshua Jay´s PRISM Deck, the first ever marked rainbow deck with GREAT backs. Sorry for this rave here, back to topic.
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philippos1979 New user 64 Posts |
This deck can work miracles especially if presented as a follow up or in combination to a Simon Aronson effect involving a one handed magician (those who have simply Simon should know). Much stronger than the locked deck as deck can be examined after the effect as well.
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