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On 2011-07-20 06:51, false_shuffle wrote:
The Add-a-No effect that you can do with this pad....is it possible to do a version where you go back and show the first specators their original numbers after the total is added? Just a simple yes or no will do.

Yes you can. (See Raymond Carlyle's DVD 'The Carlyle Touch'. His subtlety could also be used with this pad)
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On 2011-05-12 15:52, stefo wrote:
Dee is a great thinker. I believe this device will take mentalism on some new level.


Perhaps, but don't they all?

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I didn't spot where this thread had gone until now - I'm not on the forums too much!

Somebody contacted me a while ago and said that there was similarities to another pad, by John Riggs, sold by Ray Carlyle. I contacted Carlyle direct and he said that my pad and especially the handling/move, alongside the vast array of alternative uses and ideas for the pad are different to his and we should "consider the story closed!" We concluded by having a nice chat!

What I'm selling here is a device that I created independently, after hearing that it bears similarity to another I contacted and received blessing from the producer of that product, but most importantly you're buying the thinking behind it, the move which makes the switch invisible and the routines I offer in the PDF are things that most people have never considered using a simple add a number pad with.

I'm always very conscious of stepping on toes with new releases, me and my guys always do our best to make sure what we're putting out is of value - It's my solid belief that Broken Wings is of great value, it has been to me and it has been to hundreds of others so far!

All the best,

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Please do yourself a favor and read the posts.
You are deluding yourself and you aren't being as you say... very conscious.

fyi Carlyle doesn't sell any John Riggs pad.

as you say: "it has been of great value to hundreds so far..." so you have been making £1500-£2000 from something that is not yours.
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I'm a bit confused. Is there a video demo showing this more in detail? I use the Carlyle version all the time, trying to figure out if this pad would be a bit cleaner.
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On 2011-07-20 12:44, Lseeyou wrote:
fyi Carlyle doesn't sell any John Riggs pad.


But he does link to Rigg's website, is a close friend of John Riggs, and is in a far better position to declare the matter closed than you are to declare it still open.
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Dee,you have a new release , a gimmick card or something like that?
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On 2011-09-08 08:51, rickhypno wrote:
Dee,you have a new release , a gimmick card or something like that?


It's called LEGION- check the new thread.
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On 2011-07-20 12:44, Lseeyou wrote:
fyi Carlyle doesn't sell any John Riggs pad.


But he does link to Rigg's website, is a close friend of John Riggs, and is in a far better position to declare the matter closed than you are to declare it still open.


Did you read what you wrote? Did you read what I wrote? Of course not.

Have a nice day
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Are you intentionally and incoherently rude or merely stupid?
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Hmmm.
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Whatever you can imagine I am.

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Dad had a chance to see "Broken Wings," and it is the same gimmick, exactly, as described in The Psychic Agenda (published in 1996) as "The New Add-a-Number Pad" in the effect Harmonica Convergence. There is no question about this.

He also wondered why Mr. Christopher contacted Ed Fowler and not him about the origin of the device. This would have cleared up any question at all very quickly. Smile

Jonathan.
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Hi Guys,

I have since been in contact privately with John Riggs and in swapping manuscripts it turns out that this is the same gimmick as his, despite it being created independently! John got there first, so full credit on the workings of the gimmick are his!

The handling and routines are very different in both John's publication and mine, but you'll notice that now on my site the subtitle and notes regarding John's release have been added and Broken Wings is still on the market with John Riggs' kind permission!

http://www.mindlapse.net/brokenwings

All the dealers that carry Wings have been notified of this credit and asked to add it to the product description. I know it's been added to Lybrary already, not sure about the others yet, we're only just coming out of the other side of the Christmas holidays.

My contacting Carlyle was simply because he was the contact I was given to discuss the issue with originally - Once we'd covered that our pads were different all was sorted in my eyes, but evidently we'd been discussing a completely different product!

I would've sorted this sooner had I known that there was still error, I always do my best to be open and honest with all my releases, but either way it's all sorted now and the parties concerned (both John and myself) are happy with the outcome.

This kind of thing happens all the time in our industry, while I send out pre-copies to knowledgeable guys I know of all my releases before they're even teased, sometimes things are missed. There's a lot of GREAT work out there that many of us have probably never heard of, so it's a constant learning curve.

Thanks again for your interest in my work and whether you're using John's routines or my routines with this pad - I wish you all success in your performances!

ROCKnROLL,

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Nice to see this settled in a civil way.

Wouldn't it be a nice start to the New Year if members would point out, without connotations attached, when one effect seems similar/the same as another effect and ask the creator of the new effect whether he/she checked on this and, if not, to please do so.

There's plenty of time for acrimony if such a responsible request is ignored.

But then maybe I'm still hung over from celebrating The Eve.
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On 2012-01-02 12:18, DeeChristopherMagic wrote:
My contacting Carlyle was simply because he was the contact I was given to discuss the issue with originally - Once we'd covered that our pads were different all was sorted in my eyes, but evidently we'd been discussing a completely different product!


You a funny guy, read the follow:

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On 2011-06-03 20:20, Lseeyou wrote:
You are selling an idea already published > "The New Add a Number Book" from John Riggs - Psychic Agenda ©1996


I can clearly read the name John Riggs!

Gideon
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Hi

Just to say that I downloaded this from Mindlapse (I believe this is Dee's site) on Jan 1st - I can't remember if the Riggs mention was on the site then but I CAN say that the manuscript that I downloaded on the 1st doesn't yet contain any credit to Riggs but I am sure that Dee will sort this out sooner rather than later.

Regards
Steve

P.S. By the way I love it - Poundworld are selling 150 page reporters pads in packs of 2 for £1 - I bought a few and it took me 10 minutes to get my first pad ready to go - I've practised the method for about 20 minutes non-stop and it is already smooth as silk.
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