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The "impossible"and "sold out" "effects" seen on that website are nothing more than a marketing ploy to encourage people to buy the slightly less remarkable and much cheaper versions of the tricks which unsurprisingly are not sold out.

Who on the magic Café actually owns any of the sold out effects?

*tumbleweed*
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On 2011-05-17 15:06, smokingkills wrote:
The "impossible"and "sold out" "effects" seen on that website are nothing more than a marketing ploy to encourage people to buy the slightly less remarkable and much cheaper versions of the tricks which unsurprisingly are not sold out.

Who on the magic Café actually owns any of the sold out effects?

*tumbleweed*


This man speaks the truth Smile
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On 2011-05-17 15:06, smokingkills wrote: The "impossible"and "sold out" "effects" seen on that website are nothing more than a marketing ploy to encourage people to buy the slightly less remarkable and much cheaper versions of the tricks which unsurprisingly are not sold out. Who on the magic Café actually owns any of the sold out effects?

Sorry, but if Mr. Cassidy affirms the effect, I gotta go with him. I wouldn't pay two-grand for any card-based effect, since the same audience perception can usually be invoked with other methods for far less, but I respect Mr. Cassidy's integrity in such matters.
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I don't doubt that Mr Cassidy saw an ACAAN effect being performed, but does Mr Cassidy own the sold out effect advertised on the website? And if not, can he be sure that such an effect exists?

It seems strange that ever since the website got a plug on here - suddenly the newer and cheaper (and less impossible) effects got offered up for sale. Yet nothing of the calibre which had supposedly previously been available has been produced since the site got promoted on here. I guess we'll have to keep checking back for those gems?
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Jeremy wont post a youtube video because he doesn´t seem interested in selling massive numbers. He seems to be able to make good money, selling apparently well crafted effects to a limited number of professional performers. He creates limited releases. Whilst this may seem like a marketing ploy, if you put yourselves in the shoes of a professional which would you rather pay for?

1) An effect on sale to the general public, any tom dick or harry that wants to buy it?
or
2) An effect sold for thousands of dollars, which more than likely will take a VERY long time to make it into the public domain?

(I do not mean to detract from the power or value of any of the other effects he sells such as Mr. Cassidys book, it´s just that I think Jeremy caters for a different sort of customer)

I highly doubt this is a joke (but hey, maybe Jeremy will prove me wrong).
I´d say this effect is aimed at those who know Jeremy, and know his work. For the record I´ve only talked to him via a few emails and pm´s but that´s the impression I get.
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If it's real magic I'll pay 2400 I only buy real magic. if it's a fake I don't want it.
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On 2011-05-17 17:17, Owen Mc Ginty wrote:
Jeremy wont post a youtube video because he doesn´t seem interested in selling massive numbers. He seems to be able to make good money, selling apparently well crafted effects to a limited number of professional performers. He creates limited releases. Whilst this may seem like a marketing ploy, if you put yourselves in the shoes of a professional which would you rather pay for?

1) An effect on sale to the general public, any tom dick or harry that wants to buy it?
or
2) An effect sold for thousands of dollars, which more than likely will take a VERY long time to make it into the public domain?

(I do not mean to detract from the power or value of any of the other effects he sells such as Mr. Cassidys book, it´s just that I think Jeremy caters for a different sort of customer)

I highly doubt this is a joke (but hey, maybe Jeremy will prove me wrong).
I´d say this effect is aimed at those who know Jeremy, and know his work. For the record I´ve only talked to him via a few emails and pm´s but that´s the impression I get.


I change mind only if I see a performance or it is for sale or if someone describes, in full detail, his routine...
At moment, I have someone that said me that on another forum Jeremy said that this is just a Joke.
What I see is: that this is just a dirty method to advertise some other effect.

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On 2011-05-17 17:27, entermagic wrote: What I see is: that this is just a dirty method to advertise some other effect.

Joke or not, I can see where your last comment will have people rushing to you, at break-neck-speed, to offer you a limited release... perhaps at one-third the cost, 'cause you were so polite and considerate and all.
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If you don't have the brass ones, this effect is not for you...its a beautiful thing to behold...

entermagic - I have noticed that you appear at any mention of ACAAN...and to perform that effect, I believe you have to truly understand The Berglas Effect...

jeremy's is slice of fried gold...
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Entermagic's post reminded me of this classic fable:


The Fox and the Grapes


ONE hot summer’s day a Fox was strolling through an orchard till he came to a bunch of Grapes just ripening on a vine which had been trained over a lofty branch. “Just the things to quench my thirst,” quoth he. Drawing back a few paces, he took a run and a jump, and just missed the bunch. Turning round again with a One, Two, Three, he jumped up, but with no greater success. Again and again he tried after the tempting morsel, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: “I am sure they are sour.”
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On 2011-05-17 15:06, smokingkills wrote:
The "impossible"and "sold out" "effects" seen on that website are nothing more than a marketing ploy to encourage people to buy the slightly less remarkable and much cheaper versions of the tricks which unsurprisingly are not sold out.

Who on the magic Café actually owns any of the sold out effects?

*tumbleweed*


I have not seen Weiss perform the effect so I can not say with certainty that it exists. However, I can understand if it does exist why he would sell just 20 for $2400. If he sold thousands for $60 the secret would get out, be reproduced,etc. With 20 he can hand pick who he sells it to and have them sign non disclosures. It makes sense if you have a great effect. Further, given the credentials of the people who have seen it and some who have pm'ed me, I do believe the effect exists.
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Even if satisfied customers wanted to come forward to praise this product... the pre-sale agreement that JW has with his clients regarding his 'exclusive' products (as opposed to his 'general market' ones) would prohibit it.

It doesn't matter if the doubters out there continue to doubt... many of us have seen this effect performed by JW-- and others-- as described.

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I have only seen this ACAAN and his ridiculously baffling book test in action. The only thing I have to say is that I'd love to see them again!

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I think the topic is "THE HOLY GRAIL EXISTS?"

I'm looking for the effects below for my show !!

1- Someone in the audience takes out a dollar or euro bill from his wallet and I can tell the serial N° right away ! No s***ge, No f**ce, No pr****ow, No ********* etc
2- Someone calls out a 5 digit number and the envoloppe that is hanged from the begining of the show is opened by the spectator and the prediction is right! No *****, No *******, No *******, No ********* etc
3- Someone in the audience shuffles a deck of cards, takes freely a card with my back to the audience, puts the rest of the cards in his pocket, and I name the card, no questions, no fi****g (I could be blinfolded!!!!)! No *****, No *******, No *******, No ********* etc
4- a spectator takes a fork from his table puts it in his hand, and when he opens his hand the fork is bent, I never touch the fork! No *****, No *******, No *******, No ********* etc
5- An audience brings a book, any book, from his home, he opens at a page, any page, looks,just looks at a word, any word, I write a word and they match!No *****, No *******, No *******, No ********* etc

!!!!!!!!!!

Why does HOLY GRAIL = ACCAN, this term comes up everytime we talk about ACAAN!!
All these effects are holy grails, not for us but for the audience. We can not forget this : (I don't remember who said it) THE MAGIC HAPPENS IN THE MIND OF THE SPECTATOR!!

I worked for weeks Rus Andrews effect with a pr***ow work. On my last presentation I heard one of the audiences talking about it :

"Some one thought of a card, some one gave a number between 1 and 52, a third guy dealt the cards that were in his hands at that number and it was the thought of card, the magician never touched the cards!!! how is that possible"

Isn't this the holy grail. I'm sure other versions of ACAAN get the same reaction.

So..............

Cheers and thanks to all the creators, which make the dream move along!

Pourang
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On 2011-05-18 18:56, pourang65 wrote:
I think the topic is "THE HOLY GRAIL EXISTS?"

I'm looking for the effects below for my show !!

1- Someone in the audience takes out a dollar or euro bill from his wallet and I can tell the serial N° right away ! No s***ge, No f**ce, No pr****ow, No ********* etc
2- Someone calls out a 5 digit number and the envoloppe that is hanged from the begining of the show is opened by the spectator and the prediction is right! No *****, No *******, No *******, No ********* etc
3- Someone in the audience shuffles a deck of cards, takes freely a card with my back to the audience, puts the rest of the cards in his pocket, and I name the card, no questions, no fi****g (I could be blinfolded!!!!)! No *****, No *******, No *******, No ********* etc
4- a spectator takes a fork from his table puts it in his hand, and when he opens his hand the fork is bent, I never touch the fork! No *****, No *******, No *******, No ********* etc
5- An audience brings a book, any book, from his home, he opens at a page, any page, looks,just looks at a word, any word, I write a word and they match!No *****, No *******, No *******, No ********* etc

!!!!!!!!!!

Why does HOLY GRAIL = ACCAN, this term comes up everytime we talk about ACAAN!!
All these effects are holy grails, not for us but for the audience. We can not forget this : (I don't remember who said it) THE MAGIC HAPPENS IN THE MIND OF THE SPECTATOR!!

I worked for weeks Rus Andrews effect with a pr***ow work. On my last presentation I heard one of the audiences talking about it :

"Some one thought of a card, some one gave a number between 1 and 52, a third guy dealt the cards that were in his hands at that number and it was the thought of card, the magician never touched the cards!!! how is that possible"

Isn't this the holy grail. I'm sure other versions of ACAAN get the same reaction.

So..............

Cheers and thanks to all the creators, which make the dream move along!

Pourang


Hey Pourang

Those are all very doable effects!
But I think your point is an excellent one... it's best not to let our imaginations trap us.

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You know...it is so funny. I have had something like 690 posts by now (not any worthwhile, mind you)....but probably 200 of them have been since 11/12/09. Anyways, since that time my signature has read:

"....Jeremy Weiss has the greatest card trick of ALL TIME!"--Jamie D. Grant.

Start listening to iTricks 11/12/09"

How may of you guys out there have actually heard that interview with Jamie D. Grant about the events of MindVention, 2009?
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On 2011-05-20 23:56, jeremysweiss wrote:
You know...it is so funny. I have had something like 690 posts by now (not any worthwhile, mind you)....but probably 200 of them have been since 11/12/09. Anyways, since that time my signature has read:

"....Jeremy Weiss has the greatest card trick of ALL TIME!"--Jamie D. Grant.

Start listening to iTricks 11/12/09"

How may of you guys out there have actually heard that interview with Jamie D. Grant about the events of MindVention, 2009?


Is that interview still available on iTricks? I tried to find it but couldn't. Thanks
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The holy grail exists?

Yes

As simple as that.
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Another way of ascertaining whether the now sold out effects still listed on the website for some strange reason were ever available in the past - would be to find a cached copy of it somewhere when they were not sold out. I wonder if that exists?

Hmmm, methinks not ;-)
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On 2011-05-17 17:27, entermagic wrote:
I change mind only if I see a performance or it is for sale or if someone describes, in full detail, his routine...
At moment, I have someone that said me that on another forum Jeremy said that this is just a Joke.
What I see is: that this is just a dirty method to advertise some other effect.


Indeed. And I made this point when the effect first appeared on his site.
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