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Bill Hilly Elite user 449 Posts |
If magic was outlawed, only outlaws would do magic.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
If magic were illegal, I'd suddenly be a BAMF.
John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2011-05-21 08:37, Woland wrote: Sorry, I thought I saw another motive. My bad.
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
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On 2011-05-21 07:24, Woland wrote: I don't even pay attention to my blood sugar, why would I worry about magic?
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
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On 2011-05-21 10:52, Beano wrote: I bought enough stuff from Outlaw Effects, does that qualify me?
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
That's one great company. Roth is The Man.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
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On 2011-05-21 11:08, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: You're a "bamf?" http://kuraido.tripod.com/AltKurts/AltKurtsTable.html
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
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On 2011-05-21 14:14, LobowolfXXX wrote: He is at that. I think I have built an addition to his house. And I did not know we play in the same sand box.
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Well, landmark, I was thinking of two things. One, a remark by a martial arts teacher, who told me that his practice was so ingrained, so much a part of him, that he would not stop doing it for any reason, and second, the description of the painter's work ethic in Maurice Merleau-Ponty's essay, "Cezanne's Doubt:"
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It took him one hundred working sessions for a still life, one hundred- fifty sittings for a portrait. What we call his work was, for him, an attempt, an approach to painting. In September of 1906, at the age sixty-seven—one month before his death—he wrote: "I was in such a state of mental agitation, in such great confusion that for a time I feared my weak reason would not survive.... Now it seems I am better that I see more clearly the direction my studies are taking. Will I arrive at the goal, so intensely sought and so long pursued? I am working from nature, and it seems to me I am making slow progress”. Painting was his world and his mode of existence. He worked alone without students, without admiration from his family, without encouragement from the critics. He painted on the afternoon of the day his mother died. In 1870 he was painting at l'Estaque while the police were after him for dodging the draft. And still he had moments of doubt about this vocation. As he grew old, he wondered whether the novelty of his painting might not come from trouble with his eyes, whether his whole life had not been based upon an accident of his body. The hesitation or muddle-headedness of his contemporaries equaled this strain and doubt. "The painting of a drunken privy cleaner," said a critic in 1905. Even today, C. Mauclair finds Cezanne's admissions of powerlessness an argument against him. Meanwhile, Cezanne's paintings have spread throughout the world. Why so much uncertainty, so much labor. so many failures, and, suddenly, the greatest success? Woland |
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
I'm an escapologist--are they going to lock me up?
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Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Quote: On 2011-05-21 14:44, ed rhodes wrote:
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
Nice thread Woland!
History is a great teacher to whom very few listen. History has taught us that if something is made illegal, the illegality of a thing will not alter what people do. History also teaches that if you want to make something dangerous - such as a book - then ban it. Totalitarian regimes never understood this lesson. If you find an idea dangerous to your philosophy then put that idea out there for all to read! Maybe the bible belt censors would learn this. I doubt it however since it seems they ban history books Ahimsa, Vlad PS: I was thinking how interesting it was that nobody seemed to catch Tommy's WONDERFUL indictment of the euphemism for torture known as waterboarding. I can well imagine though taking a cue from miltary personnel and stating while being waterboarded, "Vlad, serial number 2000+ posts, pick a CARDDDD!!" |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-05-22 10:40, Vlad_77 wrote: Making something illegal does not prevent "everyone" from doing it; however, it does prevent many "anyones" from doing it. Legal proscription absolutely does impact (reduce) behavior.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2011-05-20 21:26, Woland wrote: One perspective on the matter might be to find a useful parallel. Consider the local sodomy laws and religious proscriptions on dietary matters and a comparison to behavior of people in society - and beyond a cultural abdication of responsibility for actions/effect (which is fundamental to magic proper) perhaps that parallel would serve as useful example and prediction.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Vlad, the forbidden fruit model has its uses. It puts social boundaries on public discourse and behaviors.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Woland
I live in the home of the free, and the land of the brave, where all men are endowed by their creator with the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the persuit of happyness. Surely you've heard, it was in all the papers.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Al, so are you saying that you'd take up arms against the government?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
"...pursuit of happiness...whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government..."
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2011-05-22 11:50, Al Angello wrote: Where do you find things that are free, braves and people who run rather than drive?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Lobo
I went to war at the age of 17, so I've bin there, and done that. The most dangerous weapon in my possession today is a nail clipper.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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