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I did come across an interesting blog post discussing this story ... it raises a point no one here has mentioned. What do you think?

http://www.xerraireart.com/blog/2011/05/......-stamps/

"[T]he man WON 2 million dollars but only got to keep $850,000 in winnings, and that’s a lot in my book, The government took more than half in taxes, which to me seems like THEIVERY to tax so much, you can’t help a twinge of understanding why he feels justified in keeping his food stamps."
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Unless I am mistaken, the Canadian lotteries are tax free. Is that right, balducci?
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Unless I am mistaken, the Canadian lotteries are tax free. Is that right, balducci?

That's my understanding in the vast majority of cases. Ditto for casino winnings.
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On 2011-05-23 23:11, balducci wrote:
I did come across an interesting blog post discussing this story ... it raises a point no one here has mentioned. What do you think?

http://www.xerraireart.com/blog/2011/05/......-stamps/

"[T]he man WON 2 million dollars but only got to keep $850,000 in winnings, and that’s a lot in my book, The government took more than half in taxes, which to me seems like THEIVERY to tax so much, you can’t help a twinge of understanding why he feels justified in keeping his food stamps."


Part of the reason for the high taxation is that he took it all out in a lump sum. That costs you big time here in the states. If he had taken a yearly pay out over the twenty year time frame fairly typical for big lottery prizes he would have taken home much more cash. Probablty close to twice as he got much depending on how the lottery is set up.
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He'll be flat broke again within five years. Too many people, handed such a lump sum, have no clue how to spend it wisely. (A big chunk of it probably went to that lawyer.)

I'd take it in a yearly pay out and keep my job; even just a million awarded over twenty years is enough to make a nice addition to my current salary- pays off the bills, lets me set aside and invest some for my son's school, pursue some more expensive hobbies, and donate to charity.
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Highly unlikely the lawyer got "a big chunk" of $855,000. How much time would a lawyer put into something like this? Research the relevant law, write a couple of letters (asserting his client's eligibility), make some phone calls... I don't see the lawyer's bill hitting five grand. A dozen hours at $400 per would be aiming high on both the rate and the time commitment.
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Don't get me wrong. I've got no problem WHATSOEVER with this dude's lifestyle. More power to him. But why should the taxpayers be paying for it?

"Republican Oklahoma Senator Tom Coburn has petitioned the Social Security Administration, urging them to launch an investigation into the disability benefits provided to the adult baby."

That was some EXCELLENT misdirection on the part of Sen. Tom Coburn! KUDOS!

:applause: Smile Smile

I did not realize until today that around the same time Sen. Coburn was making waves dissing the adult baby, a bipartisan Senate ethics committee was listing him as a central and key participant in the Ensign cover-up scandal.

http://ethics.senate.gov/downloads/pdffi......sign.pdf

Way to keep that out of the headlines by dissing a baby, dude!

http://ethicsalarms.com/2011/05/14/ensig......etrayal/

EXCERPT from above:

Coburn’s defenders will say that he was simply reaching out to help a troubled colleague in crisis, and certainly he was doing that. His first duty, however is not to fellow Senators, or colleagues, or friends, or the Republican Party, or to apply the Golden Rule, or to be compassionate because anyone can make a mistake, love makes the world go ’round, and as Woody says, “the heart wants what the heart wants.” No, Sen. Coburn’s duty was to the nation and the integrity of government, and he was ethically obligated, when learning of a fellow senator’s elaborate plans to keep a scandal reflecting on that senator’s fitness to serve in the U.S. Senate from the public and the media, to report what he knew to the Senate leadership and the Ethics Committee.

Sen. Coburn didn’t do that. Instead, he demonstrated that his first loyalties are not to voters, citizens, and the United States of America, but to cronies, politics, and the Old Boy Network. He brokered a corrupt deal, to help allow a corrupt man to stay in the Senate.
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To be clear, balducci, that excerpt is from a rather partisan blog post, and not from the actual report it purports to represent.
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To be clear, balducci, that excerpt is from a rather partisan blog post, and not from the actual report it purports to represent.

Be that as it may, do you disagree with any of the five sentences I quoted from the blog post?

Surely Sen. Coburn's duty was to report what he knew about the scandal. Not to assist in managing, spinning, and / or covering it up. Or whatever label you want to give to what he did.

Anyway, I still applaud his skilful misdirection.
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Anyway, I still applaud his skilful misdirection.


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On 2011-06-01 13:07, balducci wrote:
Anyway, I still applaud his skilful misdirection.


Are you speaking magically? Politically? Ethically?

A mix of the first two, I suppose. Of course, there is also some sarcasm entering into it on my part.

It's such a shame that the adult baby was not "functional" enough to throw Sen. Coburn's activities back in his face. But maybe the Senator was counting on such an inability to function, who knows.
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...makes about as much sense as eliminating all police based on Glenn and Chance's examples....


I have never said, or even implied, that police should be eliminated. That might be Glenn's view, or yours maybe, but it is not mine, not by a long shot. Please stop misquoting me.
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...makes about as much sense as eliminating all police based on Glenn and Chance's examples....


I have never said, or even implied, that police should be eliminated. That might be Glenn's view, or yours maybe, but it is not mine, not by a long shot. Please stop misquoting me.


Hey, how about you stop misquoting me? I didn't say that you said eliminate police, I said that eliminating them based on the limited examples you posted would not make sense.

*edit*, Oh, hey look, I even specifically said it in my very next sentence which you edited out of your quote in your deliberate attempt to mischaracterize my statement:
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that makes about as much sense as eliminating all police based on Glenn and Chance's examples.

Not that anyone here has suggested that directly.


Well, how about that?
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Nonsense. You can't have it both ways. You can't say there are examples, and mention names of who gave the examples, and then in the same breath say no one gave any examples in the first place.

Fact remains, I HAVE NEVER PROVIDED ANY EXAMPLES AT ALL OF WHY THE POLICE SHOULD EVER BE ELIMINATED. How much clearer can I be? Keep my name OUT of these stupid discussions, that's all I ask. The next time you want to allude to my beliefs or include my name in a discussion, don't. Just... don't. How hard can that be???
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Nonsense. You can't have it both ways. You can't say there are examples, and mention names of who gave the examples, and then in the same breath say no one gave any examples in the first place.


What I said are your examples are of things police do. Have you not provided examples of things police do?
Since you frickin' have then what I've said is a simple and concrete statement.
I NEVER ONCE said, or even implied, that you said it was a reason to get rid of the police.
What I did say is that it would be silly to decide to get rid of the police based on the examples YOU PROVIDED of alleged police brutality.
If you interpret anything more into it then that's your own mind filling in the blanks for you. Don't try and pin it on me.

I DIDN'T make any false statements about you, so don't do it to me.
The only stupid arguement on here is the one you just started by making stuff up about me.
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Then please tell me what meaning a casual reader is supposed to take away from this statement:

...makes about as much sense as eliminating all police based on Glenn and Chance's examples....

A casual reader is going to take away from this that the persons Glenn and Chance are in favor of "eliminating all police".

Have I given examples of police behavior? Yes, of course. But I have NEVER said ANYTHING that would support the content of the above sentence. Ergo, you have it wrong.
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Then please tell me what meaning a casual reader is supposed to take away from this statement:

...makes about as much sense as eliminating all police based on Glenn and Chance's examples....

A casual reader is going to take away from this that the persons Glenn and Chance are in favor of "eliminating all police".

Have I given examples of police behavior? Yes, of course. But I have NEVER said ANYTHING that would support the content of the above sentence. Ergo, you have it wrong.


I don't have squat wrong because I never said what you are making up. Your interpretation is wrong.
What I imagine a sane reader would take away from it is exactly what I intended, which is exactly what it says.
"...about as much sense as eliminating all police based on Glenn and Chance's examples" means exactly what it says. There's no invisible dog whistle.
I was arguing that it would be silly to argue to eliminate all police based upon the limited examples of police actions that you and Glenn have posted, so that's what I said. I said what I meant. Nothing more. Again, anything more is your own persecution issues talking.
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*throws a rope down the rabbit hole to try to pull Critter up*
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Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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"What I imagine a sane reader would take away from it is exactly what I intended,"

Loving it. Thanks.

I once asked a psych professor if the MMPI were susceptible to role faking of the "what would a sane person answer" were the experiment (role faking and MMPI scale scores - about 1974 study) done using hospitalized patients with serious mental illness.

What I imagine a sane person doing... no idea. Ever met one?
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