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...Ever met one?


A couple. I'm not one of them though, that's why I have to use my imagination Smile
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It's not a dog whistle issue. Because Glenn has said very clearly and plainly that he would be in favor of disbanding the police, while I have not. So coded language isn't the issue. So what purpose does it serve to lump us together like that, except to try to paint me with Glenn's brush?
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I said what I had to say and I stand by it. You both put up examples of alleged police brutality and that's all I was referring to. I've made every possible attempt to make that clear.
I was irritated when I thought you were lying about me but now that I have realized you really believe what you said about me all I can feel is pity.
So do what you want, say what you want. I can't join you in your world.
I wish you health, happiness, and long life. Critter done.
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I have to say I'm with critter here.

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On 2011-06-01 20:18, Chance wrote:
It's not a dog whistle issue. Because Glenn has said very clearly and plainly that he would be in favor of disbanding the police, while I have not. So coded language isn't the issue. So what purpose does it serve to lump us together like that, except to try to paint me with Glenn's brush?


I don't think I have actually said that. I HAVE said I'm in favour of getting ride of their monopoly.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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I said what I had to say and I stand by it. You both put up examples of alleged police brutality and that's all I was referring to. I've made every possible attempt to make that clear.
I was irritated when I thought you were lying about me but now that I have realized you really believe what you said about me all I can feel is pity.
So do what you want, say what you want. I can't join you in your world.
I wish you health, happiness, and long life. Critter done.


What I "really believe" is that you made a poor choice of words that could have been easily explained away with a simple mea culpa. All the rest is just hot air and ego.
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On 2011-06-01 21:09, Chance wrote:
All the rest is just hot air and ego.


It's actually *your* ego that's getting in the way here. Critter was saying that if someone were to read your posts and conclude that police should be done away with, that would be SENSELESS. Which is entirely CONSISTENT with your protests that you've never said or suggested that we should do away with the police. Critter knows that; otherwise it wouldn't be senseless. The only way Critter's post is coherent is if it's read to imply that your posts DON'T suggest eliminating the police.

The amusing and unsurprising thing is that while Critter didn't misquote you, you have mischaracterized both Critter and GDW in short order.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Yes, Critter, known as the great defender of Chance and Glenn and all notions liberal. How could I have ever gotten that twisted around? My bad.
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On 2011-05-21 20:59, Woland wrote:

Don't get me wrong. I've got no problem WHATSOEVER with this dude's lifestyle. More power to him. But why should the taxpayers be paying for it?

"Republican Oklahoma Senator Tom Coburn has petitioned the Social Security Administration, urging them to launch an investigation into the disability benefits provided to the adult baby."

That was some EXCELLENT misdirection on the part of Sen. Tom Coburn! KUDOS!

:applause: Smile Smile

I did not realize until today that around the same time Sen. Coburn was making waves dissing the adult baby, a bipartisan Senate ethics committee was listing him as a central and key participant in the Ensign cover-up scandal.

http://ethics.senate.gov/downloads/pdffi......sign.pdf

Way to keep that out of the headlines by dissing a baby, dude!

http://ethicsalarms.com/2011/05/14/ensig......etrayal/

EXCERPT from above:

Coburn’s defenders will say that he was simply reaching out to help a troubled colleague in crisis, and certainly he was doing that. His first duty, however is not to fellow Senators, or colleagues, or friends, or the Republican Party, or to apply the Golden Rule, or to be compassionate because anyone can make a mistake, love makes the world go ’round, and as Woody says, “the heart wants what the heart wants.” No, Sen. Coburn’s duty was to the nation and the integrity of government, and he was ethically obligated, when learning of a fellow senator’s elaborate plans to keep a scandal reflecting on that senator’s fitness to serve in the U.S. Senate from the public and the media, to report what he knew to the Senate leadership and the Ethics Committee.

Sen. Coburn didn’t do that. Instead, he demonstrated that his first loyalties are not to voters, citizens, and the United States of America, but to cronies, politics, and the Old Boy Network. He brokered a corrupt deal, to help allow a corrupt man to stay in the Senate.

The 'Adult Baby' story is back in the news.

Adult Baby cleared of Social Security fraud, seeks apology from Sen. Coburn.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011......ocial-s/

The California man who lives part of his life as an “adult baby” and collects Social Security disability payments says the federal agency has cleared him of wrongdoing and will continue sending checks. “We recently reviewed the evidence in your Social Security disability claim and find that your disability is continuing,” the agency said in an August letter that Mr. Thornton posted on the website he maintains to document his adult baby lifestyle.

Stanley Thornton Jr. now wants an apology from Sen. Tom Coburn, the Oklahoma Republican who called for the benefit review because the investigation disrupted the final months of life for his roommate Sandra Dias, who playacted as his mother, spoon-feeding him and helping him into his baby clothes until her death in July. “My best friend Sandra had to spend the last 3 months of her life being accused of something she didn’t do. Having her family and 3 kids seeing her accused on the nightly news of something she didn’t do."

Dias died July 7, and Mr. Thornton moved out of the apartment they shared. He told The Washington Times they had made payments based on their combined disability checks, which came to about $860 a month for each of them, and he could no longer afford the home on his own.
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Good luck with that apology.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2011-10-19 15:43, LobowolfXXX wrote:

Good luck with that apology.

Well, Sen. Coburn is after all busy recuperating from his recent fully funded, government paid, prostate surgery.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201......-cancer/
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Do you find Mr. Thornton's situation comparable to that of a cancer patient?

That's separate and apart from the fact that taxpayers pay for Coburn's surgery because his is their employee.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Lobowolf, thank you for adding some common sense to this discussion.

I think that Mark Steyn's description on the radio today of this man as a "kinky fetishist" rather than as a disabled person strikes me as a correct assessment. I am not surprised that bureaucrats who are paid handsomely and enjoy beautiful benefits in order to dole out other people's money would think it entirely appropriate that they continue to be employed to dole out money to a man like this.

Nothing in this "determination" convinces me that is wise, ethical, or proper for the taxpayers to be compelled to pay for this lifestyle. (As Mr. Steyn pointed out this afternoon, there was a scandal in Britain some years ago, when some MPs and other officials, spent their lunch hours at a club where they dressed in diapers and were spoon-fed gruel, and then had a nap. But they paid for their kinky fetishism with their own money. My original comment, copied again by balducci just above, indicated that I had (and I have) no problem with the man's choice of lifestyle -- but I think he should pay for it himself.)
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(In response to Lobo's post.)

The word comparable has a couple of different meanings. The two situations above are capable of being compared, but they are certainly not identical. However, each deals with someone benefiting from a government program to which they are legally "entitled".

And many employers do not pay for their employees' health care needs. Sen. Coburn is lucky that he has a 'Cadillac' style government funded health care plan.

Perhaps Stanley Thornton Jr. should run for office? I can see the campaign posters and commercials now.
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(In response to Lobo's post.)

The word comparable has a couple of different meanings. The two situations above are capable of being compared, but they are certainly not identical. However, each deals with someone benefiting from a government program to which they are legally "entitled".

And many employers do not pay for their employees' health care needs. Sen. Coburn is lucky that he has a 'Cadillac' style government funded health care plan.

Perhaps Stanley Thornton Jr. should run for office? I can see the campaign posters and commercials now.


Yes, "comparability" is not binary; the question should have been about how comparable you find the situations.

It is, of course, true that many employers do not pay for their employees' health care needs; nevertheless, the point remains that in this case, Coburn's treatment is part of his agreed-upon compensation for work performed on behalf of taxpayers, and that fact further distinguishes his case from Thornton's.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Tu quoque must be awfully popular in Canadian schools of rhetoric.
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