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On Feb 17, 2015, TonyB2009 wrote:
That's my point. Magicfish thinks there is only one; there were hundreds. Thus, it was a level playing field.

Well, maybe not level, but slightly less tilted.
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Magicfish, you obviously don't know cycling. Twenty cyclists I could name off the top of my head committed the deeds Armstrong did.

Crimes is not the right word - there has been no criminal prosecution that I am aware of.

As for the cancer claim, show us where ANYONE except yourself has suggested that Armstrong did not suffer cancer.

No. They didn't. No cyclist has ever done what Armstrong did with doping. Do some research. Watch some documentaries. You will be astounded.
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Well, is sports ever REALLY a 'level' playing field?
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It was nowhere NEAR a level playing field. And that's WITH all the other cyclists on drugs!
Not even CLOSE to a level playing field.
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Well, is sports ever REALLY a 'level' playing field?

If it were, there'd be a lot more ties.
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My son gave a good bicycle about a year ago and just because I never used this winter, he came over took it back and swapped it for something, when I wasn’t looking. I think he is on drugs or something.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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It was nowhere NEAR a level playing field. And that's WITH all the other cyclists on drugs!
Not even CLOSE to a level playing field.

So you'd have been OK with Lance doping just as much as, or only slightly more than, the other competitors?
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No, I think he means that it was never even CLOSE to a level playing field because Lance just had so much more natural talent than the rest of the competition! Smile
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And the sociopath even lied during his carefully calculated "confession" on Oprah.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/lance-armstrong......18245484.
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No, I think he means that it was never even CLOSE to a level playing field because Lance just had so much more natural talent than the rest of the competition! Smile

Natural?.Armstrong? I'm not following.
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On Feb 17, 2015, magicfish wrote:
It was nowhere NEAR a level playing field. And that's WITH all the other cyclists on drugs!
Not even CLOSE to a level playing field.

So you'd have been OK with Lance doping just as much as, or only slightly more than, the other competitors?

Cute spin mon ami I aint bitin'.
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Bill. My post was in response to someone saying it was a level playing field. No it wasnt. Period.
Now please tell me where I ever said that I was okay with anyone doping.
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On Feb 17, 2015, S2000magician wrote:
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On Feb 17, 2015, magicfish wrote:
It was nowhere NEAR a level playing field. And that's WITH all the other cyclists on drugs!
Not even CLOSE to a level playing field.

So you'd have been OK with Lance doping just as much as, or only slightly more than, the other competitors?

Cute spin mon ami I aint bitin'.
Contribute something.

It isn't spin and there's nothing to bite.

I'm simply trying to ascertain your position: is all doping bad, or only Lance's doping? If it's all bad, do you revile all other cyclists as much as you do Lance?
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Bill. My post was in response to someone saying it was a level playing field. No it wasnt. Period.
Now please tell me where I ever said that I was okay with anyone doping.

I didn't say that you said it. I was asking.

You know: trying to learn.
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This guy may end up going to prison. And if you think all he did was dope like the rest of them, you don't have a clue about the case nor the investigation nor the potential charges facing him. Get over the hurt, stop protecting him like so many fraud victims do, and READ what he did.
If you think he was just doing what all the others were doing, you are in the dark and I cant help you. Educate yourself. Watch the doc, read the accounts of the men whos lives were ruined bringing him down.
Until then, I'm out.
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Magicfish, I have read what he did, I have watched the documentaries, I have read all the books, I have followed cycling for thirty years. It is a European sport and we were following it for decades before Lance came along. By the way, one of the earliest scandals in terms of doping in cycling came before the 1984 Olympic Games and involved the US team. But it was brushed under the carpet by the US cycling authorities.

Doping is rife, lying about it is rife, and associated criminal activity, intimidation of witnesses and journalists, is rife. Dozens of other major names played the game the same way as Armstrong. If you feel differently, point out one thing he did that the others didn't, instead of just blowing hot air.

You are also ignoring this: no one except YOU has alleged that Lance did not suffer cancer. If you have evidence that he fraudulently was treated for cancer, please produce it. If not, please withdraw the distasteful allegation.
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Obstruction of Justice, and a system of mid race blood transfusions the extent of which cycling has never, repeat never seen.
If you don't know that after the research you say you've done, then it is you is blowing hot air. To use your unkind phrase.
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Oh and one more thing.
I never, ever once said, nor implied, that I thought Lance Armstrong lied about cancer.
You either have comprehension issues, or you are dishonest.
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You think he's a hero, I think he is the lowest of the low. You wont convince me otherwise nor I you.
Goodday sir.
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No, I think he means that it was never even CLOSE to a level playing field because Lance just had so much more natural talent than the rest of the competition! Smile

Natural?.Armstrong? I'm not following.


Well, if you think you can give just anyone a good cocktail and make them a Tour de France winner, you're not nearly as knowledgeable as you like to project.
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