Hi all,

I have been searching for this gaff for awhile now but not sure where to get it.

I am wondering if someone might be able to point me to the right direction where I can get this please. PM also suitable.

Thank you

Regards

This is a great gaff, as is Come Fly With Me, and the Kenner and Wilson gaff. However, is it really worth spending hundreds of dollars on a gaff when there are SO MANY non gaff three fly routines out there? They all are going to look alike to the audience, some more than others, but I don't think the cost justifies the extra look of cleanliness by using the gaff, and you can't have the gaffs examined. Just not worth it in my opinion. And, with the money you save by NOT buying the gaffs, you can use on books, notes, and DVDs that will give you so much more magic for your money. With three hundred dollars, you can get the Roth book, KAufman's coin magic, AND Bobo, with money left over to buy a bunch of DVDs. Much more BANG for your buck!!!! And remember, don't let the gaffs be your magic, let your ABILITY be your magic!!

If you're going to be using an extra coin, making it a gaff is the best option. After all, it will allow for a cleaner sequence. The coins can be examined with the Kohler gaff, but you'd have to easily ditch the gimmick. Similarly, if you're using an extra coin, you'd have to ditch the fourth coin the same way.

Thank you for the quick reply.

I heard that Bob's gaff is very very good and this is what make me want to try. And as a beginner I have the tendency to do a shortcut (which is probably not the ideal way) rather than perfecting the skill (as what Michael is suggesting) . I am open for suggestions to help me to learn.

Cheers

Even with the gaff you still need a lot of practice.

Hello again,

sorry if this sound real basic but when you practice - how do you practice?

do you do the full routine over and over again or do you practice parts of the routine, then do a full routine. I am curious? I am a ware that people have different ways which works for them.

Cheers

I asked the same thing almost 2 years ago, and the Café had provided some wonderful information :]

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=41&23

Even though you can have the gaff made that is used for Kohler's Ultimate 3 Fly. You won't find it on the market at all, unless someone is selling it on an auction site or elsewhere.


As has been said there are some very fine non gaffed versions available and one just may strike you as being what you want and you wont' have to worry about a gaffed 3 fly ever.

Although I have U3F, I actually like the rhythm of the original Kenner routine best (including the little joke about seeing the coin go visually only to have it go back a second later).

- Frank

You can do Kenners original routine with U3F plus you get the clean displays. I think fingertip coins across is one routine where a gaff is absolutey necessary. You have to be able to cleanly show that you're not hiding an extra coin.
For me Ramsey subtlety just doesn't do it for three fly. For the audience, the only explanation is an extra coin and having the gaff in play completely dispels that notion. Has to be done with a sh@ll or half sh@ll to be totally convincing IMHO.

The cheapest way if you are on a budget is to get hold of a non gaffed routine like Kenners, get a half sh@ll and substitute the extra coin with the half sh@ll. You'll be able to work it out yourself and it'll then fit you perfectly. Alternatively get an ex. sh@ll and Reed McClintocks Coin Ovations. There's a nice one on there called Scream Fly

Sean

I have a full book of routines on the locking half shell! 2 one touch, and and a no touch Handleing! And there all full sets! IE. a 3 coin production. The 3 fly handleing, and a 3 coin vanish! There is also A Fingertip Gadabout coins, A fingertip coins to pocket, and a Fingertip wildcoin! And I got my Locking half shell from Todd Lasson!

Gaffed or not. It only matters what is percieved to have occurred in the spectators eyes. And then the question is.. what is most natural to you? How skilled are you? And what gets the best reaction? you will only get out what you put in.

To obtain the proper gaff for this routine, as Dave Neighbors notes above, ask Todd Lassen about a locking, sliding shell.

I agree with Sean, above, that this gaff (or even a standard sh**l) is required for the clean displays needed to dispel the obvious explanation of an extra coin. Kohler's routine is flawless in this regard. Occasionally, the VHS tape for Bob Kohler's routine comes up for sale here on the Café.

Cheers,
Jerry

And gaffed is by no means an easy way out with this routine. it takes just as much skill to use the gaff properly as it does to use an extra coin. The gaff doesn't make the routine easier, only cleaner.

Sean

As a alternative to Bob Kohler's Ultimate 3 Fly that has not been available for some years, Mark Mason has marketed his creation of this effect.

The OP said he is not experienced and wishes a short cut. Here ia an alternative to that short cut.
http://www.jbtv.co.uk/j-b-products/come-......-147.php

I totally agree with seangiles, Bobs routine is not easy just cleaner. Some great shows and choreography for the routine. I would recommend trying three fly without using gaffs or at least a normal shell before going with one of these expensive routine. A shell will give you a lot more options and many more routine to be able to do with it.

OK, I will grant you that Kohler's trick is very clean. So are some of the more expensive gaff versions. However, there are many non gaff routines that are also very clean, and have very clean displays. My own version ends clean, with only three NORMAL coins in EMPTY hands, that can be EXAMINED. I am sure there are other versions from so many other good magicians that end with nice clean displays. I think that sometimes as magicians, we get caught up in minucia - what may seem like a big deal to a magician goes right over the head of a lay person. You have to ask yourself - for a two minute trick, is the minucia you get for showing three coins in really empty hands (even though the coins may not be examinable) worth over three hundred dollars?????? For me, I would rather do my version (or another non gaff version where I may have to hide a forth coin) and use that THREE HUNDRED dollars for a million other things. And by the way, it is not so hard to effectively hide an extra coin, which is why there are so many great routines that use an extra coin! If you know what you are doing, the extra coin will never be suspected, and your hands can still look empty. Gaffs are fine, they really are, but you have to decide if the expense of the gaff justifies what you get out of it. In this case, I think not.

I don't think tipping the gaff in a marketed routine is appropriate on any level. Recommending manufacturers of the gaff to obviate those who purchased the routine is even snarkier.

(I realize Todd made the gaffs for Kohler.)

C'mon people, this is a public forum. Those who paid for the routine deserve the respect of those of you who either downloaded an explanation from the web or had somebody tip the routine to you.

A little respect for the work of others is in order.

KG

The item (coins set and VHS tape) comes up for sale every so often and a polite request will often get you timely results.

Bob's item puts a difficult intermediate level routine in reach of almost anyone who can take the time and trouble to follow the instructions and use the items as directed. This permits the practical performer and working professional to keep their focus on the audience, where IMHO, most of ones attention belongs.

If you are a beginner and want to explore some options while you await a PM offering the set from someone willing to part with theirs you might enjoy trying what's described in the September 2006 issue of Genii Magazine in the history section of the article. That will get you plenty of practice learning some worthwhile sleights such as Roth's shuttle pass and help you find the places where a gaff manages to make difficult problems into workable routines. There is only one item that dates back to the roots of the trick which was not mine to teach and so had to stay out of the article - that being Geoff Latta's Nowhere Palm. IMHO, next to Edge Grip this is likely the second most useful concealment one can learn to use for this kind of routine. Fortunately for you Gary Kurtz spent some time with Geoff Latta and was able to include a useful one handed vanish using Nowhere Palm in his routine - to be found in a book that's also IMHO well worth having, Unexplainable Acts. That's plenty to read to explore while you await the Kohler item.

The most basic item that you may want to start work on ASAP is learning how to sell a visible coin transit to your audiences. One style of performance requires the audience to accept the notion that you can move coins around by your gaze. Another style of performance has it that the coins somehow jump all on their own and you follow the action with the audience. Whatever style it is you choose to use - it has to work for your audiences and that takes plenty audience feedback to learn what works and how to know when it is working for you. I encourage you to get started on that aspect using any sleights and/or gaffs you already know. There is a wonderful one coin transit to play with using a flipper coin that's in a book from 1910 and likely worth the price a Swadling Double Deception set just to get some time performing that for audiences.

If you are really new to coins and want to get started with strong sure routines that work for audiences I'd like to suggest you find the Roth coins across routines (shelled and the old winged silver) and get them into performance. Mysteries are big these days on tv and movies. In both of the above mentioned routines you get to elicit that sense of mystery while you also get some practice in solid foundation level sleights and strategies for using a gaffed coin.

Good luck with your project,

Jonathan Townsend

I totally agree here. What the good doctor said is just what the doctor ordered as to good old common sense about this stuff. "Minutia" is a good word here. I have always thought that a lot of what magicians worry about as to effects absolutely just whizzes by laymen and I know that to be true as I do it all the time. A lot of all this to the 10th degree technical stuff is just a bunch of stuff IMHO. If you do the trick properly with an extra coin there will be no suspision, again I know this personally. And actually most times you don't even have to ditch an extra coin because a specs mind won't be there, it will be somewhere else if you do it right. Now I'm not knocking Bob Kohler, the guy is a very savvy magician (you should check out his Golden Shells(?), an absolutely beautiful routine that shows Bob at his best IMHO) and his work with his U3F is to be commended but the Doc raises some valid questions as to price for this. I don't think all my stuff together equals $300 though I believe it's worth a lot more than what I ask for it.

Anyway, I have played with Bob's set (a good friend of mine has all these tricky coin sets, thousands of dollars worth) he's a collector. It's a fun set for sure and absolutely clean as a whistle but again I think the Doc makes valid points about it and any of these tricky sets really. To each his own but you won't be any better a coin man just because you have this but if you didn't have it, as the Doc says, you could have and be so much more with the same $300.

But again, to each his own and Bob's offering here is an interesting work for sure. This all reminds me of when Chris Kenner who sorta started this 3Fly craze, then put out a set of tricky coins called "SuperFly" to do what looked incredibly like what he started with as to doing the effect with regular coins, except it was hundreds of dollars more than Kohler's set. It was an expensive set to do what Kenner did himself ungaffed for years, and I think that original version is still one of the very best ways to do it. Simple, direct and not hard to do and is the progenitor of everything else since, some of which costs so much more but not sure any such quick show of cleanilines is worth such expensive, perfumed soap. Just my 2 cents but what are you gonna do, tell people when you present this that what you're doing is "cleaner" than the laymen think it is, which is something they ain't even thinking about to begin with. I'm just sayin'.