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S.V.C New user 51 Posts |
What false deals would you advice a beguiner to learn first? bottom, strike or push off second?
And where could I find information on the art of switching decks please, any good books/video ? I think both of my questions have been answered earlier in this forum, but I didn't found the post answering to them. If so, please tell me so I can delete this post. Sorry for my bad English, and thank you for your answers, Sébastien. |
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blackeagle Veteran user 324 Posts |
Try some of Richard Turners videos.
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Hi.
There is no false deal to learn "first", there is no order in particular. A false deal is a matter of needs, what you wanna do with it. You should ask yourself why you want to learn one. All are difficult, some people would tell you the bottom deal is easier to learn than the second deal whereas some would tell you the opposite. As all false deals require work and dedication though, my best advice is to learn them all at the same time. There is something to learn from every false deal. Now, if you want to use a false deal for a particular task, maybe you should specialize with that one only. About references, it takes 10 second using the "Search" tool to get Jason England or Richard Turner names. |
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bblumen Special user Baltimore 987 Posts |
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On 2011-06-11 18:47, AMcD wrote: Heed this advice. There might not be a reason to learn any false deal. If I were forty years younger, I would put all of my effort into learning deck switches and faro stacking.
"Lulling the minds of your company is more important than dazzling their eyes." Ed Marlo
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Faro stacking?
You are very lucky: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......=188&110 BTW, you don't need to be young for that. |
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Vincero Veteran user New Zealand 379 Posts |
I'm starting out with the bottom deal myself. I can highly recommend Jason England's 1:1 session. This can be purchased here: http://www.theory11.com/tricks/bottom-deal-jason-england.php
It's well worth every penny. I'm not new to sleight of hand with playing cards, but I am new on the gambling scene. It's all been said before, but I'll say it again. Jason is an awesome teacher, and I guarantee that this download will ease you into the wonderful world of false dealing. Learning how to Bottom deal is often cited as being a disheartening experience, becuse progress is slow. I'm pleased to say that I've been working on my bottom deal for a mere couple of months now, and this download has helped me tremendously. My progress is steady and most importantly, visible. That's the best thing about it. Whilst this video is good, Jason surely doesn't wish it to be a substitute for the classic texts. Rather, it should serve as an accompaniment. Along with this download, I'd recommend acquiring Erdnase's "Expert at the Card Table" too. That's what I and many others started with. Of course, there are lots more texts on the subject worth getting. If you wish to start with second dealing, Jason also has a download dealing with this subject too. It's on the same site, (theory11). As for deck switching, I'm not sure! Cheers, Zac
"Which way I fly is Hell; myself am Hell; And in the lowest deep a lower deep
Still threat'ning to devour me opens wide, To which the Hell I suffer seems a Heav'n" -John Milton, (Paradise Lost) |
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
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On 2011-06-11 17:10, S.V.C wrote: I told ya'll this already on the center deal thread and lo and behold information givers start popping up like toast. All someone has to do is come to this forum and ask about something and you not knowing anything about them just give up information that took some of you years to get just like that. What secrets will the cheat have in order to cheat with if you tell everybody and their grandmother about this stuff. What ya'll need to do is direct them to the workers forum, Erdnase or maybe the search engine, but all the good stuff. When I first started out in school I started out in kindergarten, maybe the first grade; not college. To whom this may concern, and I don't bite my tongue. In here, and you know who you are, are acting like a magician telling everything he knows because he want credit in some way for being the first to let someone know about something. In the streets or in the hustling world, you're acting like a TOTAL SUCKER. You're squealin' about sh*t and you ain't even been locked up yet. Cheating is to be sold NOT TOLD. How can you cheat this guy at the table if you're telling him all the secrets or what you can do? The cheaters code is if there is a cheat at the table and he's not better than you, you shut the F-up and rob him right along with the rest of the suckers. The big sharks always eat up the little sharks; this is their initiation. Signed ****ed Off At You D*** Squealers Doc |
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S.V.C New user 51 Posts |
Thanks all for the advices , I think I might learn bottom dealing but I should first learn more about table rifle faro.
@unknown, I don't anderstand why you are being so rude, I was just asking some advices on how to learn and I think if any cheat would bottom deal cards or switch the deck in front of me I would'nt even suspect him. As for Deck switches somebody knows where I could get informations?(blumen maybe?) Sorry if I'm asking to much, just let me anderstand why. Sorry for my bas english. Sébastien |
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Tony45 Veteran user 384 Posts |
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On 2011-06-12 00:42, Unknown419 wrote: Hey Doc, not for nothing but youre going off on these guys and this kid who posted for giving out info. What about you putting up vids on youtube exposing moves ? that's not giving nothing up ? that's not putting it out there for everyone ? At least here its guys who are interested in learning, on youtube its there for every idiot with a computer. And by the way, I doubt theres one serious thief who posts here, they need this like they need a hole in the head. They aint looking for applause or recognition or compliments or exposure. You either live in the shadows or you don't, no inbetween. |
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Vincero Veteran user New Zealand 379 Posts |
Doc,
I've read many of your posts around here and I've enjoyed them thoroughly. I apologise if my advice to S.V.C has upset you in any way. I agree, that S.V.C's query is probably more suited to The Worker's forum. What would be the difference, however, if he had posted it over there? A lot of the guys here in the Gambling Spot frequent The Worker's forum too, so the chances are he would have received the same advice. At least from me anyway. The advice I gave about Jason's 1:1 is hardly top secret now is it. In fact as mentioned by AMcD: "It takes 10 second[s] using the search tool to get Jason England or Richard Turner names" To take this point further, The OP could have found these names just by Googling "false deal help", or something to that effect. In fact, he wouldn't even have to be a member of this forum in order to view old topics regarding this subject. All I've done is pointed a guy who wants help into the right direction. Every body has to start somewhere. I empathise with your frustration concerning "free handouts". I'm working on several techniques myself at the moment, all of which I'm striving to be the best at. For me, the boat doesn't stop at Jason's 1:1, Expert at the Card Table, etc. I've sought help and advice from professionals (even in these early stages) in order to advance, and refine my technique. That's where the most practical, crucial secret's are really found. Definately not in the sources I've recommened above. They are just the starting points. With great respect, Zac
"Which way I fly is Hell; myself am Hell; And in the lowest deep a lower deep
Still threat'ning to devour me opens wide, To which the Hell I suffer seems a Heav'n" -John Milton, (Paradise Lost) |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
@S.V.C
No, Doc isn't rude. Today, you live in a fantastic world. Internet, videos, forums. Just spend a few bucks and you can learn the second deal from quality videos, from recognized experts. Come to place like here and you will find, for free, tons of advice, references, media. You have 2 posts, you come here and ask for something which takes a few seconds to find using the search engine. I think that YOU are the one behaving bad. For many people here, it took ages to get the information. Some had to pay, some had to be stolen in order to learn, etc. For you it's a matter or clicking some buttons to find the right information. If you can't do that, don't waste your time trying to learn cheating moves, it requires more energy and dedication than entering 10 words in a search engine. |
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
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On 2011-06-12 05:44, Vincero wrote: You miss my whole point. Yes this stuff is out there and it is a secret, it's a secret to those who don't know. Don't you know that Steve Forte's tapes were out when I started out trying to learn this stuff and all the top magicians I studied under never told me anything about it, later to find out that they knew about his stuff all the time. I found out about Richard Turner's stuff later on and his video was out before Steve's. Don't you know how many hours, days and years I practiced moves the wrong way only to relearn the correct way years later? This was my initiation beside the fact I went to library's, old book stores, magic stores, travelled the country, searched the internet in search for information; let him work for it and when he finds it, and he will, he will then appreciate it. This is what a lot of you never experienced that's why you give this information away so freely because you didn't earn your keep. Did you not read my words..."This information is to be SOLD NOT TOLD." A cheat never sat you down and told you never to tell anyone about what he was teaching you, that's why you don't know about the cheaters code. Regarding AMcD's advice. Let this man do his 10 min. search and I PROMISE YOU it won't be a 10 min. search. How can you do a 10 min. search on something, and you don't know what the hell you're talking about or looking for? I tell you what if you don't believe me! Do a 1 hour search on the book (Georgia Skin) you probably think that this is a real book, ridge work, flash work, the solution for juice work, vanishing a cold deck, a cold deck set-up, switching dice, the real work on making loaded juice dice, wall joints, juice trucks, juice tables, making strippers and the talking non-second dealing black jack shoe and tell me what you've learned and get back to me. I bet my life on it that you won't even know where to start and you have all these here magicians at this forum to help you. Now regarding you justifying your statement about you telling him in another forum. I answered this already...because you want to be the first to do so (be a blabber mouth). You want to be in everything but a Hertz. Let him start where all of us started off at...with Erdnase. If you would have paid attention to details he got no information at the workers forum so that's why he came over to this one. The man IS LAZY, he wants stuff handed to him, he saw my video before he came to this forum and still wasn't satisfied. Why?" Because he's Lazy. I have many unknown students who come to me presenting their cold deck move that they've made up asking me for help. You know why I help them? Because they at least initiated the fact that they tried and that they had an interest in learning besides letting me know other things that I questioned them on. You should have watched more karate movies back in the day and you would've learned that every student that came to the temple to learn karate/kung fu wasn't accepted in on the first day or many days after; only the dedicated ones passed the teachers initial test. Listen here, you're a man so do what you want to do and say what you want to say because no one has the right to tell you what you can and cannot do but in our (hustler's) world, you're a coat puller (always telling ****) and it ain't your business. I expect the answer to my above questions ANY DAY THIS WEEK you can present them. I want to see how far you get and what you come up with Mr. Quoting AMcD. Readers it may seem that I'm being harsh on him but don't get upset with me for chastising him because if I don't, how will YOU ever learn what not to do? And Back To You With Great Respect Respectfully, Doc |
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
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Hey Doc, not for nothing but youre going off on these guys and this kid who posted for giving out info. What about you putting up vids on youtube exposing moves ? that's not giving nothing up ? that's not putting it out there for everyone ? At least here its guys who are interested in learning, on youtube its there for every idiot with a computer. Tony I can't say with straight face that you're totally wrong because I would be lying but please tell me what I exposed and do me a favor, demonstrate my moves to me that I did expose and I'll shut-up. I know that you'll be able to do at least one cold deck move for me. Readers I don't mind apologizing and shutting-up. If he does do it, I'm only going to be proud of him and I'll shut up. Respectfully, Doc |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
@Doc,
I said 10' because if he wants material about the second deal, that's more than enough. In my Google, just using "second deal" as keywords provides interesting references from the 3rd link (web search), and you find Jason in the first one (image search)! Using the Magic Café search engine it's even more faster and accurate. I didn't give the guy any reference about cold decking. I didn't even talk about it. He's unable to find something about the second deal by himself! Then, cold deck/switch is out of his reach lol. I help a lot, but with lazy persons I do the bare minimum. It took me years to find sometimes basic material (I'm not living in the USA), no way they get something "important" from me. At least, for free. Trust me, I had to pay a lot for ****ty booklets, bad methods, stupids variants, etc. I had to practice hard and to use my brain cells a lot in order to improve or adapt material. I had to play for real and to make many mistakes. Not to mention people showing me bad moves I had to get rid after... I don't like lazy people. |
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S.V.C New user 51 Posts |
Actualy, I think you didn't read my question well, or I didn't asked it correctly. I asked what to learn first, if there was a deal I should learn first. Actualy, I already new about jason england, richard turner steve forte or darwin ortiz before posting on this forum. I've done card magic until now and wanted to get more in the "gambling related" moves, and wanted to know which to learn first. Hope you anderstood my question that way.
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Tony45 Veteran user 384 Posts |
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On 2011-06-12 11:28, Unknown419 wrote: You put up your "Infinity" pass for one along with some cold deck switches, and you put out the dice switch with the hold out. Now if youre concerned with secrecy, why show it at all ? Granted, you didn't make it an "Expose" but anyone with 1/2 a brain and some time can figure out the moves for themself. Now I know theres other vids you put out also, but my main question is why ? |
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
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On 2011-06-12 13:10, Tony45 wrote: Reading Comprehension Class 101 starts right now. {Tony (I REPEAT) I can't say with a straight face that you're totally wrong because I would be lying} what is YOU'RE NOT TOTALLY WRONG about this statement that you don't understand. Why are you completely dodging my previous statement "please do me a favor, demonstrate my moves to me that I did expose and I'll shut-up. I know that you'll be able to do at least one cold deck move for me." Your main question is WHY and my main statement was DEMONSTRATE MY MOVES TO ME. What ever happened to that? Doc |
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Tony45 Veteran user 384 Posts |
Want me to demonstrate ? Sure fly out here to Vegas and I will demonstrate all you want. I don't have a video camera so wheres that leave us ?
That's what happened to that. You want to wave a flag out there and say "Hey, lookie what I can do". What the hell is that from a guy who CLAIMS to be what you are ? A serious thief would look at what youre doing and either laugh or say "Look at this guy, he wants to be on Letterman or what?" You abuse the kid for asking a question and look what you do, gimme a break. Now we will see who can comprehend what. |
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J.CADEAC New user Paris, France 67 Posts |
The "problem" is here :
"I have been in card magic for 8 months... I'm sixteen years old... I already know about Jason England, Richard Turner Steve Forte or Darwin Ortiz. "
"You must either modify your dreams or magnify your skills".
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bblumen Special user Baltimore 987 Posts |
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On 2011-06-11 20:29, AMcD wrote: Thanks for the tip, but I having been using Marlo's techniques for faro/riffle procedures for those past forty years. And, modesty aside, I am quite capable with them. Just wondering if all of the time I spent on false dealing was time well spent. Brian
"Lulling the minds of your company is more important than dazzling their eyes." Ed Marlo
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