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Brian Lehr
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I'm still playing with that one. I was trying to figure out a way to do the skill effect, while at the same time involving more kids.

Would you suggest it be done alone?

Brian

I should also mention, while this is what I have so far, I really feel that it is lacking in oomph! There just seems like there's something missing, and I can't quite place my finger on it.

Hmmmm....

Brian
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On 2003-08-21 16:53, p.b.jones wrote:
4. SKILL TRICK (PROFESSOR'S NIGHTMARE)
Three helpers – one boy, one girl, and one smaller person; do the story of the three worms going across the river to grandma’s house. Momma's and Poppa’s magic words don’t work, but baby worm’s does! Lots of byplay and comedy bits

HI,
Just one comment why do a skill trick then kill it with patter like that!
(just my view)
Phillip


Think I'll agree with Phillip (whose head has gotten smaller recently, has anyone else noticed, it used to fill the whole Icon!) I think the Professors Nightmare should go solo, for two reasons.

1 nearly every routine in your show so far has audience participants and a solo effect would make a nice break from this.

2 All those helpers and storylines might dillute the strength of the effect. If this is going to be your "Skill Effect" you want it to play as strong as possible and have the focus on you.
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Brian Lehr
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On 2003-08-21 19:00, Payne wrote:

All those helpers and storylines might dillute the strength of the effect. If this is going to be your "Skill Effect" you want it to play as strong as possible and have the focus on you.


I've never done an effect to music before. Do you think PN might make a nice effect to try it with? If so, maybe I could begin with one long regular rope, do a cut and restored, then cut the rope into three pieces for PN.

Or would you suggest another form of patter instead?

Brian
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The whole reason for the skill trick is to give the oomph. I would do it alone.
To work with music does not mean you have to be quite. The music could just be in the background.
Also the show must build. If you are going to increase the number of helpers it should build with the show. I start off with one helper then two then four.
If you want to do a story routine that is fine. I sometimes do billard balls as my skill trick and it has a story.
This outline works for me, as you do more shows you will find your own outline to follow, something that will fit you. Don't be scared to try new things and switch things around. If you follow something to a tee and never change you might miss something golden. Example, I was always told to do the warm up first. Well I find for the warm ups I do the kids might not be ready for it. It takes them time to understand what your doing, and how they are suppost to act. By doing a intro trick I find they are more settled in and ready for the warm up. I would say your off to a great atart, now all you have to do is script it out and ploish it up. To polish it means to perform it. Over time you will find your style.You only learn how to walk by taking steps and falling down once and awhile. Give it some time and you'll be running!
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Don't have 'skill effects' to show off your talents

It turns you into a guy who knows how to do tricks, not a magician. You might as well become a juggler.

Method is nothing, effect is everything.
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I will have to agree with Nicholas on this one. I do not want people to walk away from my shows thinking I am skillful and nothing more. I want to entertain them and not fool them. I want them to walk away knowing my name and knowing they had a fun time with me.

For kids, kids enjoy the journey much more then the magic effect itself. If you present skill to them, most really do not care or find it boring. But if you take them on a fun journey that gets them involved and gets them laughing and having fun along the way, they will have a much better time.

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I don't do any skill effects, my moto is KISS, keep it simple stupid. By keeping the magic simple I can concentrate on the kids and the fun entertainment side of the show. The parents know that even though the kids get the credit for doing the magic, it's really happening because of me. As Kyle said, often the clever stuff is lost on the kids, who prefer the fun journey rather than the actual magic effect itself.

Sometimes the skill effect is thrown in purely by some magicians to show off how clever they can be to the grown ups, rather than as added entertainment for the kids. A sort of insecure "Look I know I'm only doing a kids show, but I can do really clever stuff as well".
The guy's with this attitude are generally the ones who'd rather be out doing adult stuff, and only do the kids purely as an extra source of income, as opposed to those that specialise in kids entertainment.
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Some magicians simply forget who they are supposed to be performing for. They make the mistake of putting in a skill effect simply because they CAN do it and it is something they enjoy. In this sense they are performing for themselves and not the audience that they are supposed to be entertaining.

If I am hired to perform at a child's birthday party, then I know full well that I am going to go and take the extra effort to make that child's day a day that will be remembered for a long time. It is his or her special day and I am hired to entertain them, their friends and to make it as much fun as I can.

I am not there to simply show off to the adults how clever I can be or there to make a few extra bucks until my restaurant gig turns around for me. If this is your reason for doing kid's shows, it would be best not to do them at all.

To these children, this is THEIR day. It is their one day a year that they can shine and feel special. My job is to make that day special through entertaining them the best way I can.

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HI,
Sorry but I think that you are being too extreme, there seems to be only 2 views

1. if no skill envolved it is entertaining
2. if skill is required it is not entertaining

Misers dream for example is a great kids effect and even in a basic form normaly requires at the very least some skill yet it is also one of the most enteratining effects to most ages. personaly I always have a skill trick or two in my act I suppose it is down to what you want to portray I do not think it is essential to all performers but suits me, my style is somewhat different than most of you if something goes wrong in an effect (magician in trouble)then I always have a reason for example when I do Rainbow house one of the colours is missing because.. we did not put the handkerchiefs in the bag in the right order. My entire act is pretty much good magic, yes it is really funny but I am not portraying some bummbling idiot, I am more the magician that likes to play and joke but really knows what he is doing. it works for me, personaly I cannot work effects in a way that make me feel an idiot or embaraced to perform so I created the style and character that I now use, I am not trying to convert anyone to my style but rather point out that there are many styles that work it relly depends on what you want and who you are.
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I think the difference Phil is some peoples skill effect is as Kyle said, simply them standing there doing clever stuff simply to show how clever they are, as opposed to doing a clever skill trick which still includes the kids and involves lots fun, Misers dream done right falls into the latter category.

Some instead of involving the kids by having the coins appear from various parts of thei kids bodies or getting the kids to throw invisable coins, would just stand there with music blasting producng coins from different places around their own body but not include the kids, it would beall about their skill rather than the enjoyment ofthe kids, this would then fall into the 1st category.

Linking rings is another example, you can either do it with helpers, audience participation and lots of fun, or you can put music on and let them watch you link /unlink the rings for a couple of minutes.
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