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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
I watched this three or four times. I can only conclude that the inventor sold his soul to the devil. It just can't be done.
Dennis Loomis
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
I just went back and watched once more. I really do wish that the lighting were better. Do you plan to do a more professional video soon?
Still... congratulations on a great illusion. Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
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EliTheIllusionist Regular user York, PA 191 Posts |
I am absolutely in love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
The effect it's great, anyway!
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EliTheIllusionist Regular user York, PA 191 Posts |
So what kind of prices could this be in the ballpark of? hmm.
-E |
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Rudy Sanchez Special user 907 Posts |
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On 2011-07-12 13:10, Dennis Loomis wrote: New improved video being shot this coming weekend. Improved lighting, background, different performer and professional assistant. As soon as it's finished we will post here. Thank you.
www.cesaral.com
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Mike Thornton Regular user Canton, MI 109 Posts |
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EliTheIllusionist Regular user York, PA 191 Posts |
Thanks Mike!
I still can't stress how much I love the moment at 6:11. Congratulations! -E |
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soleil Loyal user 294 Posts |
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I have seen this principle in a Tora Magic micro illusion item. [/quote] I think it is the Wellington's Tri section illusion made bigger. Nice Illusion!
"Art is the Artist. The Artist is God."- Goete
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JoyJoy Special user Germany 514 Posts |
@ soleil: Tri-Sec NO
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soleil Loyal user 294 Posts |
Joy Joy,
the effect is the same. As for the secret it is not hard to figure out cause it is already used principle and described in several books. Best,
"Art is the Artist. The Artist is God."- Goete
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CA-Lynx New user 52 Posts |
Just for the record.
IT IS NOT What you think. It is not the same as Tora or Wellinton products. Sorry to disapoint you |
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CA-Lynx New user 52 Posts |
This is a new principle not described in books
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magic patagonia Special user 570 Posts |
OK, I agree that the Wellington Tri Section uses a diferent principle.
But I'm pretty sure than the Tora version uses the same principle than the InCisi-Vision: _ You can see thru the sectioned body/arm from both sides. _ You can turn it around. _ The top box is solid (looks solid from the outside). These features cant be achieved with the Wellington illusion principle. The InCisi-Vision is a beautiful illusion much more beautiful than the Tora one...and probably the principle is not described in books...but in my opinion it's not something new in the magic community. |
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
Looking forward to the new video.
I looked at the Tora Web Site, but was unsure which of their illusions was supposed to use the same principal. Can anyone tell me the name? Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
This is not absolutly a new principle and as I told before it's also already currently patented in USA :
ok here only one video of the two tora versions anyway I discovered also others I past: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Drw0aHn0Q I don't want post here the toy patent because it's not correct and it will be an exposure but I think this old video link it's enough for now , if you want ceck also the patent I can share it(/ not whit evrybody of course) , thanks. |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
In addiction to the previous post I will remember Tora has done already in past also the body version using this system ,
and obviously both version ( the Body and the Arm version can be performed surrounded and the prop can the rotate exactly as incisi-vision), anyway yes is not the Trisector system (welligton) or sismilars, thanks. |
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hackmonkey Inner circle England 1093 Posts |
This is truly great! Awesome, I love both the cloth pull through and the lifting of the ends as convincers.
I had to view it twice to even begin to comprehend the basic secret. Come on guys this does not use mirrors! It could be done in a similar way using a very old illusion principle but I am 99% sure this does not use that or mirrors. Nice looking prop and stunning illusion. |
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On 2011-07-12 20:34, CA-Lynx wrote: Wow... even though I know the term "in my opinion" and /or "to my knowledge" is automatically implied in everything someone writes on here, this statement must mean that you've read every book in every language in the world (both published and non published) on magic which in and of itself is a pretty amazing project! I've read a LOT and I don't know that this method has been published either to my knowledge. I just always stop short of making such a broad sweeping statement no matter what I've created. There are so many very cool design features on this prop. I have no doubt it is beautifully built and fabricated. I personally never like any illusion that makes me stand behind the prop. I never want the prop to get between me and the audience is possible, but that's a small detail. Yes, the Tora prop looks like it has a similar method. To me... it doesn't matter if this method been published or even if it's original. As long as it's not an issue of theft (which I don't think this is) I really don't care. The important thing is that it needs to stand on it's own as an illusion to be good... nothing more. All I want is a great effect for the audience. Yes, it's very clever. Many magicians go NUTS for stuff like this. If it fell into the category of something that could fit in the back of a station wagon and was around $5000 it could have a great wide market. I'm still amazed at the number of Origami's that are out there and even though a lot are bad knock offs, there are still a huge number of legit ones that are very expensive for the casual illusionist. I think the size has a lot to do with that.... but this will still hopefully sell well. It is just what many magicians want. Here is my main concern with certain "optical effects" and why I stay away from this particular type of effect in general. If you're using optics to make something or one totally vanish, there isn't as much heat on the method as the energy is diffused by the rest of the staging and prop. There are a number of places they surmise she could be hiding so in their search for answers, they "might" glance at the actual method as one of many options but hopefully not exclusively. Then there is something like the Devant/Spreer Pit & the Pendulum Table which has been used for a cutting in thirds. This uses optics but when the box is lifted, there is some diffusion by the boxes which remain covering most of the body and the actual method is CLOSE to the focus of the attention but still below it. Still, the body being in place forces the audience to stare close to the actual method and not look away. Keep in mind with most observers (assuming a 22 1/2 degree field of center focus) the more I can direct the audience away from the actual method(s), the more effective the illusion. Distancing the effect from the method is a huge part of fooling people. Get the load.... hold on to it for five minutes if you can... then produce it when they forgot your hand was even near your body. That's a much stronger effect than producing the load near the steal as it leads the mind to the method. Now we come to this type of illusion where we are demanding the audience look at the actual method and challenging them to figure it out. Tenyo has a number of effects in this category which again are very clever but not necessarily good magic. We know her body MUST be where we are telling them it isn't. In the end, there isn't a box or psychological/visual diffusion to imagine that it is anywhere else. In this particular case it doesn't mean it's not there... it just means that we can't "see" it. Imagine if I did the same thing with BA. Is there anyone who wouldn't jump to the same conclusion? "I'm not sure WHY I can't see it... but I just can't". This syndrome happens in magic when we take away every possible method but the actual one and force the audience to stare at it. Even if it is a very clever method (which this is), you know there is something wrong even though you might not understand on the conscious level what it is. It's called subliminal unrest. You can't relax and let go of the method to get enjoyment and amazement out of the effect because the magician is forcing you to stare at the method and you aren't really convinced even though you might not know exactly how it works. Confusion is not illusion. This is the difference in designing an effect from a technical base and from a theatrical or story telling base. Most magicians (myself included) frequently get jazzed about some new move (or method) we came up with... so we create an effect to utilize that move. It's intrinsic value to us is that it justified the time we spent creating and practicing the method.... NOT that it's a great effect. That's because we are largely selfish and care more about ourselves than our audience. Now let's turn the tables for a moment. Imagine you meet this amazing girl (ok, or guy or whatever... just an example!) and you want to take her on the date of her life. You find out what kind of food she likes, what her favorite flowers are, if there's anything she doesn't like in particular... etc. and you try and create something that will be amazingly memorable for her. It's all about pleasing her. What if we treated all of our audiences like that? We start with... "What would they like to see?... What would they think is amazing?" and then work backwards from there to develop the best method for an audience effect driven solution. Again my job is to distance the effect from the method in any way possible. There are plenty of magicians that fall into the "Please look at me, aren't I clever?" pile of performers. That's an ego driven act. That's fine, and I dare say is one of the main reasons many of us got into magic in the beginning. This effect will do well. There is a LOT of work in the prop and I'm sure will be the of many magicians. As we start the design process for all of our future projects... I just try and learn from everything and everyone in the past to lead towards the best effects and strong magic where the audience leaves in total amazement. Then we all win!!
Ray Pierce
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Rudy Sanchez Special user 907 Posts |
Thank you Ray. Very wise observations. Your input is much appreciated by the creators and I.
Rudy
www.cesaral.com
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