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On Jun 30, 2016, NotThatLarson wrote:
I'm not sure what effect we are talking about here.


The "Overkill" Card Trick (credited to Ackerman, Emberg, and Marlo) is a self-working routine with minimal setup that involves multiple phases (mind-reading, prediction, color change, and match-a-card).

For better understanding, watch a performance video by Paul Harris or read his book "The Art of Astonishment (Book 2)".
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On Aug 11, 2011, Louis Lu wrote:
Beware of those over analytical people though. I performed it for someone who refuses to be fooled or entertained by magic. Once he reasoned the selection was forced, the multiple revelations lose their impact.


If you start the performance (1) without shuffling the deck, (2) count the specific number of the 20 cards displayed on the table, and (3) reveal the only red-back strange card in the blue deck, an observant spectator may reconstruct the effect and suggest that her selection was predetermined and forced. Critically contemplation of the phases in the routine may further reinforce the suggestion that the routine and the prediction found written on the flap were setup.

The handlings of most self-working effects are flexible and can be modified to suit the magician's presentation style and to eliminate unwanted suspicions. For example, the mind-reading phase can be performed convincingly using a blindfold as seen in Joshua Jay's Out of Sight, and the prediction can be revealed "magically" with Christopher Wiehl's Burn Notice concept. The blindfolded magician may combine the ideas of Lucky Cut plus Spectator's Age plus "Blank" Deck, and ask the spectator to flip over the card that corresponds to the number of cards in her initial packet cut.



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On Jul 20, 2016, ejohn wrote:
For those who think Overkill may be a little, ah, overkill, check out Under Overkill on YouTube.


The underlying arithmetic principle used in the Under Overkill on YouTube should be hidden, or at least masked under psychological handling. To the unobservant spectators, deliberately counting the cards may raise suspicion that the deck was initially setup using unknown clever math property. While it may fool some unobservant spectators, the effect is reduced to merely a math puzzle to locate a card for the observant spectators and the math aficionados.

If you want to compare how good the arithmetic principle can be hidden, check out Larry Jennings' Impossible Divination No.2 in the book, "Jennings '67" written by Richard Kaufman.
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On Jul 24, 2016, warren wrote:
I'm sure Paul Harris would be pleased to see his work being exposed on youtube !!


From the technical standpoint, "Overkill" can be considered as a 20-hour Clock Trick, with added ta-da ending.

Conjuring Arts Research Center Executive Director, Bill Kalush has discovered that the Clock Trick using the Number Theory can be dated back to 1484 in Nicolas Chuquet's Triparty, but never published. The trick, however, is not performed with cards, but with coins or other objects, and arranged in a circle.

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I love performing the Overkill routine taught by Paul Harris, such a lovely routine.
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On Aug 27, 2016, SamChak wrote:
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On Jul 24, 2016, warren wrote:
I'm sure Paul Harris would be pleased to see his work being exposed on youtube !!


From the technical standpoint, "Overkill" can be considered as a 20-hour Clock Trick, with added ta-da ending.

Conjuring Arts Research Center Executive Director, Bill Kalush has discovered that the Clock Trick using the Number Theory can be dated back to 1484 in Nicolas Chuquet's Triparty, but never published. The trick, however, is not performed with cards, but with coins or other objects, and arranged in a circle.




So are you saying it's ok to expose the effect on youtube then especially someone else's published and copyrighted handling if not I don't understand why you would quote me before going into your post.
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I remember in high school, someone showed me a trick by counting down cards to find my selection. During the next class, I list a equation based on his procedure to calculate where he put my card and passed him a note showing the result. I was kindda proud of it. Smile
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I think it's nice to point out here that as performers, we have to disguise the method with the presentation.

If the method is g****ck, you should use the presentation to go away from / eliminate the possibility of g****ck.
If the method is math, you should use the presentation to go away from / eliminate math.

In the OP effect in particular, I'd like to recommend the Jan Foster lecture at penguin. There's an effect there using this method... but man... he hides it so well, he justifies... he disguises... he gives a reason for things to be done... he erases the "procedure" from the memory of who watches that (pun intended). That presentation in particular is the one I'll use with this method, it's a really nice example of what I'm talking about here.

It's not only about logical disconnects. It's about making sense, justifying the actions, hiding the method and projecting what we want in their minds using the presentation.

Overkill will only be simple if you present it as something simple.

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I've not used this in quite a long time, but back in high school and college this was a killer routine for me. I only recall getting busted once, and it was by a friend who was rather maths focused. Otherwise I found it an excellent trick from the first Paul Harris book I ever purchased (Close Up Entertainer).

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On Aug 27, 2016, SamChak wrote:

From the technical standpoint, "Overkill" can be considered as a 20-hour Clock Trick, with added ta-da ending.

Conjuring Arts Research Center Executive Director, Bill Kalush has discovered that the Clock Trick using the Number Theory can be dated back to 1484 in Nicolas Chuquet's Triparty, but never published. The trick, however, is not performed with cards, but with coins or other objects, and arranged in a circle.

Final Destination by Paul Gordon belongs in this category as well.

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Overkill is a great trick but one of my favorites in the category is Clockwork Woody by Woody Aragon from his Book in English. It's really good and can be a great way to end a session
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