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I sincerely hope you don't let these guys discourage you from posting, Harry, I always look forward to your advice and I'm excited about your new book.
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On 2011-07-13 18:12, Mark Lewis wrote:
I think that shuffle from Finland was pretty good and in fact it fooled me. Furthermore I have a name for it. I think henceforth that it be called the Viking Shuffle.

But what is the Ireland overhand shuffle? I wonder if it is the one I am doing. I think I read it on Bobo's "Watch This One". You shuffle normally until you get near the middle and then shuffle one at a time for about six cards or so and then shuffle normally again. By repeating the whole procedure you are back where you started.

The other one I do is a full deck shuffle known as the Optical Shuffle which is in the Royal Road to Card Magic. Another quite servicable one is the riffle shuffle described in the Magic of Paul Le Paul.

To be frank the times I need to keep a red black stack in sequence is quite neglible even for Out of This World. Here I use the George Blake method where you TELL them you are setting up the deck so shuffling would make no sense anyway.



Thanks Mark. I actually got the idea from Lepauls book.

We don't actually have anything to do with vikings (its norwegians). I think it could be called drunken shuffle.
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Mark,

The Ireland shuffle is as you've described. As Harry says, it does the job and looks convincing.

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If you can make a thumb break or injog at the center of the deck before starting overhand shuffle, you don't need Ireland shuffle. Down jog the center card in first shuffle and you can repeat shuffle keeping reds and blacks separated.

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What's good about the Ireland overhand shuffle is that you DON'T have to hold any breaks or injog any cards. I believe that that was the point. HL.
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On 2011-07-13 23:57, Harry Lorayne wrote:
What's good about the Ireland overhand shuffle is that you DON'T have to hold any breaks or injog any cards. I believe that that was the point. HL.

What’s good about injogging is that you don’t have to run a half-dozen single cards as you near the middle of the deck as in the Ireland shuffle. I believe that was Hideo Kato’s point.
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Thanks Count Lustig-san for mentioning the point for me. Yes, that's the point in my post.
There is one more point in that method. You don't need to watch the cards while you are shuffling.

However I never insist which is better. So I said "If you can make a thumb break or injog at the center of the deck". We'd better use a method whick suits the situation.

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To each his own, of course. I don't "watch" the cards when I'm doing Ireland's overhand shuffle. But, although it hasn't been mentioned, sure - if you undercut less than half the deck it's okay to injog the next card, shuffle off, etc. I do use that quite often - either one. According to circumstanves. Repeat - to each his own!
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The hell with it. If I ever have to retain a red/black order by an overhand shuffle I'll do the optical shuffle and be done with it. I think it is the best one of the lot and you hardly have to concentrate on a thing. You can be talking and looking elsewhere The optical shuffle is pure bluff and is to be found in the Royal Road to Card Magic. I have never met anyone that uses it except me and I have no idea why.
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On 2011-07-14 11:09, Mark Lewis wrote:
The hell with it. If I ever have to retain a red/black order by an overhand shuffle I'll do the optical shuffle and be done with it. I think it is the best one of the lot and you hardly have to concentrate on a thing. You can be talking and looking elsewhere The optical shuffle is pure bluff and is to be found in the Royal Road to Card Magic. I have never met anyone that uses it except me and I have no idea why.


Bill Malone uses it.
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Derren Brown describes a wonderful way to have a spectator or two shuffle the cards (in which any type of shuffle can be used, and genuinely thorough). During the shuffle, the spectator(s) can look at the faces of the cards to confirm that they are well mixed. After the shuffling is complete, a stock of cards automatically contains (if you so wish) separated reds and blacks. There are no cr*mps (and indeed, no cr*mps, cr*mps, cr*mps or cr*mps) in any of the cards - it's a normal deck in every way - and after the shuffling the performer does not need to manipulate the cards in any way. Sounds too good to be true, but most certainly is true. I've often used the technique.
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Steve, where can I find Brown's shuffle
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It's described in one of his books - "P*** E*****", I believe. (Good use of the stars, there, I feel, so as to avoid exposure).
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That's interesting. I really don't know what to make of your contradiction though; the spectator can look through the cards and see them mixed, but a stock of cards contains separated reds and blacks? Seems like either there's something missing or both statements can't be true. Knowing that there's a ton of obfuscation going on in any "explanation" found here, I imagine it's the former. Where is this shuffle documented?
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Splice - see above. My description is absolutely accurate, though of course I have described it in a way that does not reveal the method. The method is cunning genius (though one would expect nothing less from Derren Brown). I can't recall if Derren originated the idea - I don't have his book in front of me - or if it belongs to someone else. I'll see if I can look it up.
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I think, from memory, the shuffle in Derrens book was a Juan Tamariz idea.

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Yes, if you're referring to the exchange of packets, it's Tamariz's handling of a Daley idea (I think).
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On 2011-07-14 12:36, Steve Martin wrote:

Splice - see above. My description is absolutely accurate [snip] ...



Please Steve, not so. You posted,


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On 2011-07-14 12:25, Steve Martin wrote:
[snip]...and after the shuffling the performer does not need to manipulate the cards in any way.[snip]



What is your definition of manipulate?

The cards are certainly handled after the shuffles.

This subterfuge can be found in Brown's effect, PLEROPHORIA, from Pure Effect, pp. 129-143.
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All joking aside - thanks for the reference and credit info, Mel, bblumen and Justin. Indeed, Tamariz is also a cunning genius.
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Just an FYI -

The "Ireland" shuffle was published by Charles Jordan in 1919. It's in his Thirty Card Mysteries. It should be credited to him.

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