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On 2011-07-14 11:09, Mark Lewis wrote:
The hell with it. If I ever have to retain a red/black order by an overhand shuffle I'll do the optical shuffle and be done with it. I think it is the best one of the lot and you hardly have to concentrate on a thing. You can be talking and looking elsewhere The optical shuffle is pure bluff and is to be found in the Royal Road to Card Magic. I have never met anyone that uses it except me and I have no idea why.


The optical shuffle can be effective, but the issue is whether or not the red/black separation is meant to be an effect, or a secret method. If you're using it as a secret method, then any false shuffle will do the trick. If you're using it as an effect, though, then the shuffle needs to be convincing as a shuffle.
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On 2011-07-14 18:29, Andrew Musgrave wrote:
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On 2011-07-14 11:09, Mark Lewis wrote:
The hell with it. If I ever have to retain a red/black order by an overhand shuffle I'll do the optical shuffle and be done with it. I think it is the best one of the lot and you hardly have to concentrate on a thing. You can be talking and looking elsewhere The optical shuffle is pure bluff and is to be found in the Royal Road to Card Magic. I have never met anyone that uses it except me and I have no idea why.


The optical shuffle can be effective, but the issue is whether or not the red/black separation is meant to be an effect, or a secret method. If you're using it as a secret method, then any false shuffle will do the trick. If you're using it as an effect, though, then the shuffle needs to be convincing as a shuffle.


Yes and my original idea was to present it as an effect rather than a secret false shuffle.
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In the overhand shuffle method I mentioned, I shuffle all cards, not only the lower half below the break. Sorry for not writing it in detail. I thought you would understand it.

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If I was using it as an effect I would use the Paul Le Paul Riffle Shuffle combined with some sort of overhand shuffle. This isn't rocket science to figure out. But I am not using it as an effect so I won't bother.
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Thanks for Andrew and others who have actually given me advice.
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Zarrow makes for a great red+black shuffle.
So much to do. So little time.
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Using the Zarrow to keep red/blacks separated is like killing a fly with a sledge hammer.
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Ah but that poor fly don't stand a chance, Harry.
Shuffling in the hands may not be appropriate for the effect at hand.

I practice my Zarrows with a red+black set up, so why not. Makes for quite a relaxed looking Zarrow actually.
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No problem. I've said it hundreds of times - to each his own. If you're doing it to practice the Zarrow, that's fine. To really use it to keep the reds and blacks separated is really similar to killing a fly with a sledge hammer. Just my opinion. Again, in my opinion, you'd be much better off practicing the Zarrow keeping a deck in a specific order - for example, new-deck order.
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Although you are right Harry the point I am making is that when performing a Zarrow one usually has to hold breaks, shuffle more than once, hold back a certain ammount of cards etc.

In this case, when keeping colours separate one only has to estimate the cutting and holding back of cards and no breaks are needed...how often does one Zarrow this cleanly?
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Again, to each his own. Are you familiar with my Super Riffle Diffle Shuffle? Might serve your purpose. I a new book of mine there is a section devoted to red/black shuffles, but - not for you, because they're mostly in-hand shuffles. Best - HL.
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Harry, if you present something as a gambling routine you might want to use tabled riffle shuffles becouse that's the way the shuffle in real games and casinos. Poker is so popular that many people are familiar with that kind of shuffling.
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Oh dear! The young man from Finland just made me cringe. He has only just come off breastfeeding and is advising the legendary Harry Lorayne on how to do card tricks! I must stifle my great amusement over the matter.

Actually I rarely use a riffle shuffle myself. In Britain the riffle shuffle is not used very much by laymen to the same extent it is used in North America.
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Agreed, 1tepa1 - but I thought we were talking about red/black shuffles - not gambling demo shuffles.
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I have the spectator(s) do riffle shuffles (legitimate ones) during my presentation of my own Out of This Universe. It is, of course, NOT a gambling demonstration. I rarely use riffle shuffles anyway. When I do it's my own Riffle Diffle, which is in the hands, but keeps all cards in place. AND LAYMEN couldn't care less, so far as they're concerned the deck is thoroufhly shuffled - which, in my humble opinion, is the point, the GOAL. No?
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On 2011-07-13 18:12, Mark Lewis wrote:
I think that shuffle from Finland was pretty good and in fact it fooled me. Furthermore I have a name for it. I think henceforth that it be called the Viking Shuffle.




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On 2011-07-13 18:30, 1tepa1 wrote:

We don't actually have anything to do with vikings (its norwegians). I think it could be called drunken shuffle.


:) Very good! Smile
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On 2011-07-18 11:40, Harry Lorayne wrote:
I have the spectator(s) do riffle shuffles (legitimate ones) during my presentation of my own Out of This Universe. It is, of course, NOT a gambling demonstration. I rarely use riffle shuffles anyway. When I do it's my own Riffle Diffle, which is in the hands, but keeps all cards in place. AND LAYMEN couldn't care less, so far as they're concerned the deck is thoroufhly shuffled - which, in my humble opinion, is the point, the GOAL. No?


True that there is no need to do any casino shuffles. But as you can see from my video it is best presented as a gambling demonstration and not as a convincer before a trick which requires red and black setup.
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Whhaaattt?!
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He is young, Harry. You must forgive him.
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You can also tell me where I am wrong and why instead of pointing out that I am young and stupid. I know those already.
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