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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
I sincerely hope you don't let these guys discourage you from posting, Harry, I always look forward to your advice and I'm excited about your new book.
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1281 Posts |
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On 2011-07-13 18:12, Mark Lewis wrote: Thanks Mark. I actually got the idea from Lepauls book. We don't actually have anything to do with vikings (its norwegians). I think it could be called drunken shuffle. |
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Mel Toyer Loyal user Luton, England 216 Posts |
Mark,
The Ireland shuffle is as you've described. As Harry says, it does the job and looks convincing. MEL |
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
If you can make a thumb break or injog at the center of the deck before starting overhand shuffle, you don't need Ireland shuffle. Down jog the center card in first shuffle and you can repeat shuffle keeping reds and blacks separated.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
What's good about the Ireland overhand shuffle is that you DON'T have to hold any breaks or injog any cards. I believe that that was the point. HL.
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Count Lustig Elite user 456 Posts |
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On 2011-07-13 23:57, Harry Lorayne wrote: What’s good about injogging is that you don’t have to run a half-dozen single cards as you near the middle of the deck as in the Ireland shuffle. I believe that was Hideo Kato’s point. |
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
Thanks Count Lustig-san for mentioning the point for me. Yes, that's the point in my post.
There is one more point in that method. You don't need to watch the cards while you are shuffling. However I never insist which is better. So I said "If you can make a thumb break or injog at the center of the deck". We'd better use a method whick suits the situation. Hideo Kato |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
To each his own, of course. I don't "watch" the cards when I'm doing Ireland's overhand shuffle. But, although it hasn't been mentioned, sure - if you undercut less than half the deck it's okay to injog the next card, shuffle off, etc. I do use that quite often - either one. According to circumstanves. Repeat - to each his own!
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*Mark Lewis* V.I.P. 1325 Posts |
The hell with it. If I ever have to retain a red/black order by an overhand shuffle I'll do the optical shuffle and be done with it. I think it is the best one of the lot and you hardly have to concentrate on a thing. You can be talking and looking elsewhere The optical shuffle is pure bluff and is to be found in the Royal Road to Card Magic. I have never met anyone that uses it except me and I have no idea why.
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1281 Posts |
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On 2011-07-14 11:09, Mark Lewis wrote: Bill Malone uses it. |
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Steve Martin Inner circle 1119 Posts |
Derren Brown describes a wonderful way to have a spectator or two shuffle the cards (in which any type of shuffle can be used, and genuinely thorough). During the shuffle, the spectator(s) can look at the faces of the cards to confirm that they are well mixed. After the shuffling is complete, a stock of cards automatically contains (if you so wish) separated reds and blacks. There are no cr*mps (and indeed, no cr*mps, cr*mps, cr*mps or cr*mps) in any of the cards - it's a normal deck in every way - and after the shuffling the performer does not need to manipulate the cards in any way. Sounds too good to be true, but most certainly is true. I've often used the technique.
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pabloinus Inner circle 1683 Posts |
Steve, where can I find Brown's shuffle
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Steve Martin Inner circle 1119 Posts |
It's described in one of his books - "P*** E*****", I believe. (Good use of the stars, there, I feel, so as to avoid exposure).
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
That's interesting. I really don't know what to make of your contradiction though; the spectator can look through the cards and see them mixed, but a stock of cards contains separated reds and blacks? Seems like either there's something missing or both statements can't be true. Knowing that there's a ton of obfuscation going on in any "explanation" found here, I imagine it's the former. Where is this shuffle documented?
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Steve Martin Inner circle 1119 Posts |
Splice - see above. My description is absolutely accurate, though of course I have described it in a way that does not reveal the method. The method is cunning genius (though one would expect nothing less from Derren Brown). I can't recall if Derren originated the idea - I don't have his book in front of me - or if it belongs to someone else. I'll see if I can look it up.
Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking.
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Mel Toyer Loyal user Luton, England 216 Posts |
I think, from memory, the shuffle in Derrens book was a Juan Tamariz idea.
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Justin W Special user Lawrence, KS 929 Posts |
Yes, if you're referring to the exchange of packets, it's Tamariz's handling of a Daley idea (I think).
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bblumen Special user Baltimore 987 Posts |
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On 2011-07-14 12:36, Steve Martin wrote: Please Steve, not so. You posted, Quote:
On 2011-07-14 12:25, Steve Martin wrote: What is your definition of manipulate? The cards are certainly handled after the shuffles. This subterfuge can be found in Brown's effect, PLEROPHORIA, from Pure Effect, pp. 129-143.
"Lulling the minds of your company is more important than dazzling their eyes." Ed Marlo
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Steve Martin Inner circle 1119 Posts |
All joking aside - thanks for the reference and credit info, Mel, bblumen and Justin. Indeed, Tamariz is also a cunning genius.
Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking.
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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
Just an FYI -
The "Ireland" shuffle was published by Charles Jordan in 1919. It's in his Thirty Card Mysteries. It should be credited to him. Jason
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