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hackmonkey Inner circle England 1093 Posts |
I have used the old style of this I think Yves made it? I do plenty of regular metal bending, this style of gimmick makes a great addition. Later on they will remember all the bends they saw happening in this way.
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Rabid Elite user 495 Posts |
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On 2011-07-29 20:07, truthteller wrote: You told me once that you weren't prepared to answer my questions as I should look up my own answers in books that you weren't prepared to tell me the names of. All I've asked you to do is look back over two pages of a thread. That you cannot be bothered is testament to your personality. It's a sodding fork, that uses an updated version of a principle to make the bending of metal more controllable...and it's cheaper than some other versions. What more is there to say? You either want it, or you don't. Move. On. Steph, Rabid, Rabbit...whatever. |
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Rabid Elite user 495 Posts |
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Rabid Elite user 495 Posts |
Oh...also, Brad...apologies for the 'sad little man' thing. I did the thing I try not to do, which is come on here when I'd been out for the night. Far too much alcohol, bad day at work...took it out on you. Was rude and disrespectful and I hope you accept my apology.
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truthteller Inner circle 2584 Posts |
Rabid, . I did read the posts. And other than it being cheaper, I see nothing here that identifies any specifics as to what is new. Kisskadoodle post is couched in a 'seems'. Its a legitimate question and the answer seems to be 'nothing.' 'nothing' is a fine answer. They are putting out an idea already explored by someone else, just cheaper. It is what it is.
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Rabid Elite user 495 Posts |
Ha. Well okay. Enough then. To me it's obvious what the difference is, it says it in the demo. But whatever. I agree that at heart it is exactly the same effect. But it achieves it better due to it being able to bend with the heat from a persons hand and that it stays as it is until you require it to bend. That is what I got from them demo, the product page and other posts here. Let's not argue over it anymore. You don't see what I see... tis the way of things.
Until the next time. Steph |
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
For anyone who has this, can you carry it around in your suit or pants pocket without activating it? I live in a tropical climate.
PS: According to the ad, some top pro names are on there who SAY they use it. I would not call it rubbish unless you own it. Well, you can but please don't. Respect to creators and all. Decomp
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truthteller Inner circle 2584 Posts |
The other items bent from the heat in specs hand. That's not new. And phork was quite portable. I've used the other items. The difference does not seem to be there. But hey, isn't discussing these things what forums are for
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
I agree Truthteller. What I THINK is new is being able to use it for the entire day/night and not worrying about getting it right out of the fr****. It will be nice to see some reviews come in to see how it goes.
I can see some use when combined with bending with ungimmicked forks. I think it looks better then the spoon Ustaad kindly posted for us. The spoon looked very fake. Decomp
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truthteller Inner circle 2584 Posts |
You didn't need to refrigerate phork. I never had a problem with it bending before I needed it to. Couldn't carry it around in your pants pockets I wouldn't think - never tried though because 1) who wants a fork in their pocket and 2) it would bend a real fork/who wants to damage their trick one.
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
Perhaps Phork may be the way to go then. Maybe they will lower the price on these here if no one is biting at em. Looks like they already lowered it once.
Decomp
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Rabid Elite user 495 Posts |
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On 2011-07-31 08:06, truthteller wrote: Hmmmm, didn't realise that. I was under the impression that wasn't the case. But I'm a bit confused by what you mentioned about you not thinking it could be carried round in your pocket? Why not...I mean if one wanted to do that, what would be the problem? Also, what do you mean by "It would bend a real fork / who would want to damage a trick one"? Sorry...just didn't really understand what you mean't there. Steph |
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truthteller Inner circle 2584 Posts |
I don't know about you, but the idea of walking around with forks in my pants pockets seems more than a tad uncomfortable - and not only a little bit silly. How many real people would carry forks like that? And if you sat or moved, they would bend. Forks do that. Without magic.
Apart from the discomfort and social retardation issues, magically, doesn't carrying forks with oneself suggest that Its all a trick, an amusement you are bringing with you hoping to foist on the unsuspecting? Doesn't carrying ones own forks suggest perhaps there is something special about 'those' forks? Did uri walk around with forks in his back pocket? I don't think so n What many forget is that when uri began bending forks, he elevated the act into a world wide phenomena. It was a miracle. Now, it's little more than 'just another trick'. My dear friend jon Stetson had the brilliant idea of over dubbing one of the popular metal bending videos with the sounds of balloons squeaking as they do when twisted into animals for children. That's what we've managed to do with metal bending. It's a trick that literally kids at summer camp show their bunk mates. As max maven said, magicians have accomplished something extraordinary. They have managed to render something inherently profound, trivial. I realize that is more of an answer than you asked for. So to clarify, it would hurt to carry a fork in your pants pocket, it would bend the fork, and the only human beings who would carry a fork in ANY pocket either have mental problems, are prone to stealing silverware, or are magicians desperate for to show you 'a trick'. At least now they don't have to spend as much money to do so |
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
Guess there are many people who are just magicians or crazy who stroll with a fork.
PS: I would like to be included please along with the likes of that one mentalist who came out with probably the best DVD ever on metal bending. What is his name dang it......Hmmmmmm, senior moment here. :lol: Decomp
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Rabid Elite user 495 Posts |
That is quite possibly one of the most awesome replies I think I've ever received…on any forum.
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On 2011-08-01 13:19, truthteller wrote: Let's ignore the language differences here, as where I'm from 'pants' are what one wears under their trousers/jeans/shorts and in that instance yes, I would agree that stuffing a fork in there would be most uncomfortable. I'm sure there are sites on the internet where like-minded individuals practice such a practice and record the results for others pleasure…but it's probably best to not think about that I guess. But obviously you're referring to trousers etc, so let's take that on: The idea of walking around with forks in ones trouser pocket does seem - on the face of it - to be slightly odd and uncomfortable, but that's assuming several things: a) that you have stuffed your trouser pockets to overflowing with forks for a start. But if it were one fork, or a couple…then one could quite comfortably insert them, tines out, into ones pocket and walk around quite happily with them. Sitting also is quite comfortable. I cannot prove this over the inter web of course, but I tried this very thing before coming to work this morning. Of course, this is assuming one desires to put forks in their pocket, most would probably put them in a jacket pocket, close-up case etc, but seeing as we were talking about pockets in trousers / pants, then it's still quite feasible. And so to the statement that ' if you sat or moved, they would bend. Forks do that. Without magic.' Well, again…you can sit down and move around quite happily depending on a number of factors. a) that you haven't overloaded said 'pants' pocket with forks (or any other type of cutlery), b) that the 'pants' in question are of a suitably slack fit. If one is a thin person wearing skin tight trousers/jeans/pants, then the addition of cutlery (whether tine or even scoop based) would definitely cause discomfort. Alternatively, if one is a great big fat bugger and his/her pants are not of a suitable gargantuan size, then again this would cause discomfort. However, a reasonable sized individual wearing trousers/jeans/pants that are not so tight that this person runs the risk of being taken into custody for exposing themselves in public, can quite happily secrete one or several forks in their pocket and sit and move about fairly happily without running the risk of the cutlery 'doing a Banachek' in their clothing. Of course..fat people beware. In fact, stop eating all those burgers and fries and go for a run or something. "How many real people would carry forks like that?" Now this is a very odd question. If it's directed solely at the type of person who may wish to walk around with cutlery in their pocket…then possibly not many. However I recently camped at a music festival with a large group of people. We made a communal sit down/fire/eating area in the middle of a surround of tents and at any one time in the early mornings I would have spoon, fork, toothpaste, toothbrush, shower gel, deodorant in my shorts pockets so that I could leave the tent, go to the shower block, get freshened up and be straight back ready to make a cup of tea and a bacon sandwich and not have to bother going back to my tent. So that's one sort of person right there and I'm pretty sure I'm not a social retard…or indeed, any other type of retard. Y'all may wanna' disagree with that last bit but I'm hoping not as it really would show your worst sides. (please see next reply a bit below) Of course, 'real people' do not generally practice this behaviour (in my example above, this is not what I do day-to-day, it was merely to make life easier in a camping situation), but then 'real people' do not carry all sorts of things in their 'pants' pockets: sealed un-opened cards, decks of cards that have been opened…altered and then re-sealed so that they look like sealed un-opened decks of cards, fake thumbs, coins with holes in them, little wallets containing a small collection of 'perfectly ordinary' cards and a myriad other pocket sized devices and home-made constructions that will facilitate the generation of awe and wonder in a gathered group of 'ordinary folken' Some of whom may or may not have cutlery in their pockets. Quote:
On 2011-08-01 13:19, truthteller wrote: Okay, so we've covered discomfort…but whoa there!? What's this now? Social Retardation? Forgive my shocked expression (which of course you cannot see) but are you suggesting that putting a fork in ones pocket constitutes retardation? if so, maybe clarification of some of the items listed above and why they do not constitute the same would be good all round. However, the overall suggestion that a person is a social retard for merely putting a fork in his/her pocket is quite astounding. I know you to be a well read man therefore I can only assume that this statement is based on some sort of published research into the connection between clothing and cutlery in the mentally disabled. If not…I'm at a loss as to how you went from pocket and forks, to retardation. Unless of course you were just being nasty for nasty's sake? Which can't be true…surely? "…magically, doesn't carrying forks with oneself suggest that Its all a trick, an amusement you are bringing with you hoping to foist on the unsuspecting? Doesn't carrying ones own forks suggest perhaps there is something special about 'those' forks?" As with the items mentioned earlier, one could argue that anything a magician pulls from their pocket is suspect, just a trick (be that a pocket in his trousers of by stuffing his hands down into his pants…although the spectators would be unlikely to wish to sign anything that came from there). indeed, this is the main reason that some of the first words heard after a magician pulls anything from his pocket, are ones that suggest that the item in question is 'just an ordinary whatever' and 'would the spectator wish to examine it?" So with that I'd have to disagree…pulling several forks from ones pocket would not make any difference. You'd ask the spectator to examine them etc and then continue. or, ring in the fork you need at the appropriate time to go with your already bent ones (which one would assume came from a close up case etc…but let's not go over all that again) "Did uri walk around with forks in his back pocket? I don't think so n [sic]" To the best of my knowledge…I couldn't say. I was very young when Uri Geller started shocking the world with his 'act'. However, one thing is for sure: he almost always would have had cutlery on him and if you're suggesting that at no time in his career has he stuck a fork or spoon in his pocket in case where he ended up happened to not have any, or more importantly…not any of the 'right kind', then I feel quite confident in suggesting that you sir, are wrong. Quote:
On 2011-08-01 13:19, truthteller wrote: I'm busy so I won't give an opinion on the bit in the middle save to say that I'm pretty sure there are still people in the world performing metal bending routines that give awe and a sense of the miraculous to their audience, regardless if some kids at summer camp badly perform a bending spoon effect and then (perhaps) expose it to their mates or not. To suggest otherwise is a bit of a stretch. As to the last bit, I've broken it down it into easy to understand bite-size chunks, not dissimilar to reducing a miracle to a bar bet prank: [A] No it wouldn't, unless the person doing it needs to either lose weight, buy the right sized 'pants' or is an idiot. Or all three. [B] No it wouldn't, unless the same applies. [C-1] Sorry to sound harsh, but that's a profoundly ridiculous thing to say. [C-2] So is that. [C-3] You are hereby suggesting that you have never carried any magic prop in your pocket…ANY pocket, ever. C'mon Brad? You and I both know that statement is a lie. Are you telling us that you, in your long and varied career, have only ever used a close-up case, bag etc? Kind Regards and I hope you are well. Steph |
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truthteller Inner circle 2584 Posts |
You'll defend anything illusionist puts out to your dying breath.
Charming You know, when I was a magical child, I wore a tie with playing cards on it. I also used to wear rubber bands on my wrists and sleeves on my jacket pushed back. Then I realized, as most successful magicians who are also successful human being realized, that these choices did not make me appear successful, or relevant, or even attractive but instead made me look like an idiot, someone desperate for attention, screaming 'look at me, I'm a magician'. And, at that point in my life, I was probably all three. I also, as I've grown, seen how audiences react differently when you pick up their deck of cards versus pull one out of your own pocket. I've also performed metal bending all over the world - literally (as someone rabid who has condemned others for expressing opinions on things they do not own, I can only assume my opinion on this matter - given that I have actually performed this material in real professional settings - would have primacy even over yours, yes ) And I think that qualifies me to say - that real people don't carry forks in their pocket - except under very special circumstances. (and if you want to spend 400$ so you can bend a fork while camping, more power to you). I can also say that the impact of bending a fork at a table is exponentially greater than twisting your own special silverware that the appearance of which always begins with doubt, and that one gets much further in life and in magic in making choices that enhance an Audiences experience without settling for whatever strokes ones own desires for attention at all costs. There is a reason thomsoni drops the silverware from his pocket - because having it there is an indictment of him and his character. But hey, why worry about things like what real people think of our magic and ourselves when there our 400$ forks to sell to kids, right. First one free? |
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truthteller Inner circle 2584 Posts |
Also - just curious -who is performing these miraculous metal bending routines and getting the same impact as uri - using their own forks ---- that they carry in their pockets.
Pps - uri was smart and had the tv show or host provide the forks. |
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Rabid Elite user 495 Posts |
Hey Brad...seeing as you're once again going to resort to not reading what you yourself have written and in the same way ignoring why I wrote what I wrote, and instead are falling back on name calling and moaning about kids etc...whatever buddy.
You're a bright guy. You can see for yourself what's in your post. Just like everyone else can. These last two posts from you are more of the same...never answer anything, simply ask more questions...must get tiring mate, but more power to you. Oh and clarification...as by God it seems to be constantly needed with you, I wasn't defending the fork...I could care less whether you like it or not. I was discussing your posts...not Ellusionists fork. HA....ahhh...all this cos' you have a problem with a trick fork...unbelievable. Laters buddy...I have a meeting to get to. Steph |
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truthteller Inner circle 2584 Posts |
What question did you ask that I didn't answer
Lets play a game. On your way to your meeting, stop 10 people and ask to see what eating utensils they are carrying with them in their pockets. And my posts remain very much on point. When it's all about convincing people to buy something, one tends to ignore the big questions - like, is this the strongest choice I can make as a performer? How does this make me look? What is the audience likely to think But hey, kids gotz money. To hell with magic or encouraging growth as performers - gtfm |
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Rabid Elite user 495 Posts |
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On 2011-08-02 10:00, truthteller wrote: Ha...Brad...stop being so ridiculous. And I haven't condemned others for their opinions...I've had a pop at those that have jumped on the 'bash this, bash that' bandwagon. As always, that's there in white on green. No one on this thread actually owns this product - you and I included - so let's wait and see if anyone actually buys it and fancies posting up a review. With any luck, that person will have - or have owned - one of the others and can post pros and cons. Would be interesting to read, no? Until then you and I can continue to argue about whether or not people may or may not be tempted to put a fork in their pocket and if they do then whether they're retarded or not...but I fear with just us bashing heads and no new actual news on the product, the thread will go the way of so many. Up to you mate. On a positive note: I just landed a new client...so I'm a happy puppy. Hope all is as good in your world as mine at the moment. Laters fella. Steph |
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