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kihei kid Inner circle Dog House 1039 Posts 
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On 2011-07-20 13:33, Andrew Zuber wrote: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Yikes. Once again, the written word strikes. Dude. Where in my post did I say he "DIDN'T or COULDN'T do this? Hmmm? My apologies if it came off as I was fired up but in reality I wasn't. Again, it boggles my mind that a casino would do something of this nature and I have worked in one going on 8 years now. Not saying I’m an expert, just sayin. My questions where meant as curiosity nothing more, that's all. And I see I got my answer. Thanks Deano for answering.
In loving memory of Hughie Thomasson 1952-2007.
You brought something beautiful to this world, you touched my heart, my soul and my life. You will be greatly missed. Until we meet again “my old friend”. |
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts
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No problemo... You are more than welcome.
check your PM box... Dean <><
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) 
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Nash Inner circle Hong Kong ~ USA 1101 Posts
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You can disregard Benji's advice on marketing, but you gotta admire his determination, and how proactive he is.
Nothing wrong with a guy chasing his dream, following his passion, and trying new things. I say "Congrats on landing this show and best of luck to you brotha"
I teach leaders the magic of curiosity and empathetic communication. keynote Speaker | Seattle magician
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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Wow landing the show? ALL HE DID WAS RENT A HOTEL ROOM he didn't "land" anything!
Danny Doyle
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Paul Prater Elite user North Little Rock, AR 483 Posts
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This is the first time I have posted in this forum. A year ago, I rented a theater. I had to do marketing, ticket sales, lights and sound, door people, stage sets, whole nine yards. You get the point.
I was relatively unknown in my area. Mostly private shows. However, I got picked up in print, which lead to internet listings with the Chamber of Commerce, nightlife, etc.... I was given a spot on morning radio during drive time. I also was very broad in my marketing. I worked my butt off promoting this show. Tickets were $10 each. I was three quarters full the first night, sold out the second (in fact turned people away). This was a 50 seat theater. It sounds like if I had asked for advice here, I would have been told that it was stupid idea, impossible, etc... For me this was a very positive experience, and I have the theater booked again for November. Now for my dose of reality. When you look at all of the time put into it, I was working for pennies. This is the real story behind this type of show. Consider the REAL time put into marketing and every other aspect of it and in reality, I didn't make much. However it was great and a lot of fun. |
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G. Batson Regular user 147 Posts
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On 2011-07-21 09:47, Paul Prater wrote: Good for you, but you may want to consider taking advice from someone who has over 11,000+ posts here. Someone that busy on a forum surely knows what he's talking about. Me, I would rather take advice from someone actually working. Good luck Benji. I look forward to hearing how the event goes. G. |
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Autumn Morning Star Grammar Hostess Today, I corrected grammar in 1378 Posts
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On 2011-07-20 12:46, Benji Bruce wrote: It sounds like you are talking about a 'hospitality suite'. These are set up as meet-and-greet rooms for conventions and do not contain beds. They are also not usually near other rooms, so you don't have someone banging on the wall telling your group to "KEEP IT DOWN!!"
Wonder is very necessary in life. When we're little kids, we're filled with wonder for the world - it's fascinating and miraculous. A lot of people lose that. They become cynical and jaded, especially in modern day society. Magic renews that wonder.
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2604 Posts
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On 2011-07-21 09:47, Paul Prater wrote: Hey Paul! It sounds like you learned a lot and that is the ultimate goal! I do understand how hard it is. If the goal is to work professionally and be financially successful, then you can understand how difficult that would be doing shows like this in some cases. In Los Angeles, people 4 wall rooms constantly to do shows in. Most of them lose money or maybe break even in the end. These show are typically done to "showcase" the performer in hopes of landing a bigger job. They're called "Ego Shows" in LA as they are frequently done just so the performer can say "I had my own show" not saying that it was funded out of his own pocket. Does it work? It can but the odds are certainly against it in this area. Can ANYONE get their own show if they pay for it themselves? Of course so there is little cache' in making those claims as evidence of talent, quality or status. Does it teach you a lot about the business. That's an unqualified YES! I made my living as a magician for years getting paid to do shows. Now I mainly produce and direct other shows although I still do my own shows from time to time but never with my own money. I do know people who do this and a few (very few) are very successful at it as they have a great show and are VERY good at promoting (which is a totally different skill set than magic!) I hope you have great luck with your next show and hopefully will make more money for the time you put in! Quote:
On 2011-07-21 10:15, G. Batson wrote: These boards are sometimes tricky to navigate as on the surface, a post gives equal weight to someone with years of experience and others just starting out. My challenge was to learn to position comments based on their relative worth and the experience of the poster. Some with many posts have YEARS of valuable experience to learn from as do some with very few posts. I've just found that how much you post has no bearing on talent and/or experience any more than how much you talk at a party has any bearing on how good you are. At the Magic Castle I hear some people talking a lot to try and show how important they are, then there was Billy McComb who talked a lot because he was overflowing with ideas from 60 years of hard work! No relationship. Some of the comments of this particular thread seem to have less to do with the situation of the show than the history of the original poster. I don't know him so I don't really have any comments on that.
Ray Pierce
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Paul Prater Elite user North Little Rock, AR 483 Posts
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Thanks for that input Ray. I agree with you.
I did make money, in that I didn't lose anything or just break even. I had money to stick in my account. However, making money and making a profit are two different things. I can buy magic props from a wholesaler and sell them for 10% over cost. I will make money but once you count your time to manage sales, ship, answer emails, etc... you are not making a profit. To truly evaluate "profit" you can't just count the money at the end of the show. I put a lot more than the few hours I was on stage into it. I am sure I am probably preaching to the choir here. There is also the issue of seating capacity. This caps your total profit, regardles of ticket price. At ten bucks a seat, I can only sell $500.00 tops. I sold drinks as well to help make more money, but nonetheless, let's just look at tickets. $500 a night, tops. I paid my light and sound guy and I paid my door person. I had the rental cost as well. I had posters printed. This is all actual cost. Now assuming that I was just on stage for two hours, this isn't too terribly bad (but still not great), but I was at the theather for a couple of hours before each show. I spent a lot of time marketing and everything else, such as answering calls, monitoring ticket sales, rehersal, etc...If I truly added up all of the hours put into it, I probably made very little for my TIME, which is essential to figure if you want to be profitable. I can always up my ticket prices, but I want to strike a balance that would bring more people to the show. I want to increase word of mouth. Of course, with all of this being said, I have a full time job and do not rely on the magic to pay my bills. |
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts
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Oooohhh… I am sooo with you. - I say GO FOR IT and do your dream! -- That is one of the main reasons WHY I posted was to say that it CAN and DOES work… and as we have said; ‘It IS Work’ as well, but it is clearly proven to be done by quite a few.
Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go… and DO IT! - Whoo Hoo! = Are there better and best practice’s, means, methods and ways to get more effective results and clues left by past experienced results? – Of Course… doesn’t mean that someone can’t just go out and just go for it anyway! Like I said… GO FOR IT! – ACTION Will Outperform ‘Just Talking About It’ almost every time! (Hehehehe!) …AND, it’s also ok to be smart about it as well. “Success Leaves Clues” as well. So taking ‘Smart Action’ is even better, right? Either way… GFI! (That’s Go For It!) Hope that serves… I am at Your Service and In HIS Service, Deano (Helping You Succeed) in Reno <>< “Find Your Passion… DO Your Purpose… Make It Profitable! - Transform Your Dreams Into Dollars Doing What You LOVE! - Delivering Difference-Defining Results In Your Life and The Lives of Others With Proven Systems For Powerful, Profit Producing Success Solutions… Guaranteed!” http://www.SuccessEminder.com Celebrate L.O.V.E. & H.O.P.E! Life Of Vibrant Expression, Helping Other People Everyday!
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor)
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2604 Posts
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On 2011-07-21 12:18, Paul Prater wrote: lol... yep, the profit problem is the essence of the issue! It's all a matter of choices. How do you budget between how much you spend on the show, props, costumes, lighting, advertising, misc. production? How much do you reserve for contingency issues? These are all of the tricks it takes to do a good show and what you have to determine to make things work. Quote:
There is also the issue of seating capacity. This caps your total profit, regardles of ticket price. At ten bucks a seat, I can only sell $500.00 tops. I sold drinks as well to help make more money, but nonetheless, let's just look at tickets. $500 a night, tops. I paid my light and sound guy and I paid my door person. I had the rental cost as well. I had posters printed. This is all actual cost. I agree...Larger venue? Raise prices? If your show really works best in a 50 seat house, how many fewer tickets do you think you would sell if the show was $15? How about $20? Would you have to increase the quality of your act to justify the additional price? Would it be better to get a larger venue and keep the prices the same or would the additional expense of the venue offset the numbers? Some shows that are great in a smaller venue die in a larger one. Geez, it makes me tired to think of all of these things yet that is what it's all about. Everyone has their own way of budgeting a show and that is what separates us all. I know some people who spend a FORTUNE for costuming yet little on props. Others spend a HUGE percentage on advertising yet little on other production value. Study other successful shows in other cities and learn from your mistakes as you grow slowly. I also agree that there are intangibles you get from a show other than just money. For many years in the beginning stages I was very happy to break even with shows as that was my education and I was happy to pay for that just like I would at college. That is where you learn as you can afford to take more risks artistically. Once you start getting bigger dollars, you can't afford to take as many risks You have to deliver every time. Sounds like you're doing well so just do your homework and grow slowly. It's a great start!
Ray Pierce
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3017 Posts
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This is why I've told Lance Burton on several ocassions that I would happily take over his spot at the Monte Carlo. Last time we spoke (prior to his run ending) he told me it was all mine. Just waiting for the hotel bosses to get their stuff straightened out and get in touch! I'm sure that call is coming
By the way, does anyone have a few doves lying around that they aren't using...?
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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On 2011-07-21 10:15, G. Batson wrote: Wow obviously a shot at me huh? Ok do you have even an inkling of who I might be or what is I might do? Do you know the first thing about me? Obviously you have no clue or this sort of comment would not have sprung forth from your keyboard. My suggestion is to research prior to making statements like this. We actually produce over 2000 shows a year, and have for years. With all due respect, I provide guys with 5x more work a year than you ever do. But what do I know? Funny how you have a problem with me and my experience, but you are perfectly happy to listen to Benji blather on when he admits he knows NOTHING ABOUT THIS! Are you serious? With all due respect look me up. Then what you need to do is post that fake rip off report someone wrote like 4 years ago and you can post that link and think you are smart. Don't bother to read the rebuttle, that will not fit in with your ideas. Then find our web page and get back to me about not having experience. Are we still going to talk about "actually working"?
Danny Doyle
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10618 Posts
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Good for you, but you may want to consider taking advice from someone who has over 11,000+ posts here. Someone that busy on a forum surely knows what he's talking about. Me, I would rather take advice from someone actually working. Another great example of someone talking and giving advice on something they know nothing about. He should be embarrassed of his ignorance and lack of respect shown here to someone that regularly offers legitimate, professional advice only offered from someone that has been performing in the real-world for decades with actual hand-on experience. Even the most basic of searches would prove and validate Danny Doyle's knowledge, experience and credibility. That's the problem with newbies on a forum, is that they can say what they want, make unfounded claims, and offer false information and advice based incorrect information and lack of knowledge. |
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Howie Diddot Inner circle San Francisco & Los Angeles California 3288 Posts
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On 2011-07-21 17:49, Andrew Zuber wrote: Andrew; I just hung up talking to the Monte Carlo, they asked me if I were available to take over, I told them I read your post on the Café, and you were expecting a call from them anytime now. I informed them that since you were already looking for doves, I was not available and very busy doing my children’s birthday shows to accommodate them at this point You owe me one. B |
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3017 Posts
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That's it. The gloves are off. I'm suing those fools for every penny they have. Total breach of contract. A firm handshake with Lance is legally binding, right?
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts
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Hehehehehe...
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor)
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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On 2011-07-21 21:32, Andrew Zuber wrote: How firm was the handshake?
Danny Doyle
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Howie Diddot Inner circle San Francisco & Los Angeles California 3288 Posts
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On 2011-07-21 21:32, Andrew Zuber wrote: Quote:
On 2011-07-21 22:44, Dannydoyle wrote: Danny, the guys name is Lance |
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3017 Posts
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Firm handshake from Lance, and a hug from his assistant Eta-Lyn. It's only a matter of time boys.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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