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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
NO NO NO NO!!!!! There should be NOOOOO evaluation by actors by ANY method. It would simply be unfair, biased, and too open for abuse!!! That's the whole problem with the movie industry today. Actors are paid WAY too much based on results which is inheritly unfair to all other actors.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 16:14, landmark wrote: I think the operative word you missed in my post was "ANY (attempt to qualitatively...)"
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
What is the meaningful analogy between actors and teachers again?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 17:27, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Sort of depends what you mean by "meaningful."
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 17:27, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Apart from the fact that both teachers and actors have unions? Not much, really.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 17:27, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Actors and teachers are similar in many respects. Topologically, for example. |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Quote: In broad terms, maybe. But we all know actors do not have pores... unless they're being filmed in HD (at which point the act of observation causes sweat glands and acne to be spontaneously generated.)On 2011-08-05 18:01, S2000magician wrote:
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
What's the 'meaningful' difference that doesn't make the suggestion of hypocrisy inapposite? While reaping the tremendous benefits of an industry that rewards some and forces others into alternative lines of work, he rails against any attempt to distinguish between people in another industry. Are 98% of teachers REALLY fungible?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 18:01, S2000magician wrote: Ok you got me there.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Actually, I think the differences, if anything, argue the other way.
What do we as a society care if horrible actor Joe Dingledangle grinds out a living playing "Lefthanded Bartender #3" in "Oh Vodka, My Vodka"? Conversely, sure, we like Sandra Bullock, but what would we really lose as a society if she pulled a Grace Kelly and gave it all up to be Princess of West Eastlandia? Yet under the current system, Bullock is as incentivized as all get-out to remain an actress, and poor Joe Dingledangle can easily be forced to get a day job if he's judged to be not good enough. Meanwhile, we offer the best teacher in the world less money than anyone else in the same district who happens to have started earlier, and it's all but impossible to fire the Joe Dingledangle of teaching, despite entrusting the education of hundreds of children to him each year. We accept that people are empowered to make the decision to get rid of bad actors, but tolerate excuse upon excuse for why bad teachers should remain in the classroom.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
On 2011-08-05 17:03, LobowolfXXX wrote:
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landmark wrote: What I've said more than once now is that while in theory there may be a good way to evaluate teachers (please tell me what, though) in reality, and a very sick reality it is, the evaluations are exactly those to which I've ascribed to our hypothetical actors.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 18:10, LobowolfXXX wrote: Not what he said at all.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 19:57, landmark wrote: Perhaps we could use the criteria by which you objectively claimed to know who the best ESL teacher in all of New York is.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 15:47, rockwall wrote: That's not a bad idea for a public national theatre and has in fact been instituted in several instances. And of course, the whole point of the actors' unions is to insure there will be a minimum salary for every working actor whether you happen to be improved by them or not. But I'm with you, let's get more of those 98% unemployed artists working again as they were under the Federal Theatre Project in the 1930s.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 20:05, LobowolfXXX wrote: I doubt it. It would require at a minimum that the evaluators care about students. Please see the second half of my sentence that you quoted.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Michael Moore: Matt Damon For President
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/09......740.html Even though Matt only acts for the love of acting, thank god I doubt he'd be willing to take the pay cut. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Michael Moore for Expatriate!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On 2011-08-10 00:06, LobowolfXXX wrote: No no no. Keep him there! Don't let him into Germany. |
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