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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 13:55, Tom Cutts wrote: Oh Tom. I support freedom of association. If individuals wish to segregate themselves, no one should force them to associate with others.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
Your brainwashers did a great job. Didn't you say, "if you have to ask permission you aren't free"? Is it fine with you a city decides no blacks can live here? One minute you are defending Rosa Parks, the next you are saying she can't live where some people don't want her to.
You are one mixed up, confused, misled, person. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 14:26, Tom Cutts wrote: Tom, you are NOT free to access someone else's property, just as you are not free to have sex with anyone you want. These things require permission.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
So there is no freedom in your utopia either. Got it.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 13:39, gdw wrote: Assuming the greedy road-builder can get the property to build the road. The property owned by the KKK. Who might not sell. At any price. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 13:19, gdw wrote: I take it then, your answer to that question is yes, Lester Maddox had a right to bar people from his restaurant based on their race. Couldn't disagree with you more--and I think it's a good indication of why your premise of the sanctity of private property above all else is a poor organizing principle for a society. It inevitably leads to conclusions like this.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 15:03, S2000magician wrote: Are you suggesting that the KKK will be the only ones rich enough to buy land, and somehow will own ALL the land suitable for roads?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 15:49, landmark wrote: Landmark, do you have the right to bar people from entering your home?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 15:51, gdw wrote: No, they're an example. I am suggesting that someone rich enough to buy land would buy a strategic piece of land, build a road that, because of its strategic location, will be the only practical route for travel between points between which a large number of people will want to travel, and that if that person chose to discriminate against some class of people for whatever reason those people would have no alternative, at any price. I am suggesting, in short, that hoping that the market would somehow overcome the obvious adverse consequences of private ownership of all roads is, at best, naïve. |
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
Forget the restaurant, unwanteds can't even get there on the private roads nor live in that city.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 15:59, S2000magician wrote: That's a lot of forethought for bigotry. Do have any sort of example of such a real world "strategic" piece of land that would provide someone with such a monopoly?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
Not just a lot but an entire freeway.
Real world strategic spot. Panama Canal. On a much lesser scale Golden Gate Bridge. The grape vine on I-5. |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 16:14, gdw wrote: It might be, and it might not be. Are you suggesting that your hope that it is is sufficient to support the structure of society? |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 16:21, Tom Cutts wrote: I was thinking much the same thing, but I thought of it as one word, not two. And capitalized. With "The", to boot. ;) |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 16:21, Tom Cutts wrote: So you believe that there are NO alternative routes between points a and b, and NOWHERE else alternative routes could be made?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 11:57, RS1963 wrote: exactly. He preaches one thing and practices another. First off, he doesn't read all the posts in the threafs he starts- I noticed this awhile back. Second, he claims to feel joy that peoples minds can be changed, or their opiniins swayed by the consideration of the thoughts of others. Have you ever read a post from this guy where hes made a concession? Or where his mind was changed? Or where he at least admitted that he could be wrong? No. He just keeps jabbering on and on and on about the same old crap. Gdw, you don't have a clue what youre talking about. |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2011-08-05 17:39, gdw wrote: Never mind. |
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Bill Hallahan Inner circle New Hampshire 3222 Posts |
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On 2011-08-04 15:58, gdw wrote: Glen, that's not a good analogy. First, look at the entire relevant section of my previous post instead of just the one sentence you cherry picked. Quote:
While I often don't agree with Tom, and I found his last post completely unconvincing to support his argument, I think he is correct that the title to this topic is misleading. So, just to be totally clear, I am not asserting that that the title doesn't have an interpretation that is true, but rather that it's misleading because it omits pertinent information. To analyze your analogy - the penalty for murder can be incarceration. The penalty for violating the law against murder is incarceration. The penalty for a building violation is a fine. The penalty for violating the law against a building violation is a fine. (Or, perhaps not even a fine if the work can be undone - which is what this person was offered while the work was still incomplete). However, the penalty for violating a judges order (the stop order) is incarceration. So, the man was not jailed for violating the building code, that penalty happened because he refused to stop violating the building code after he was told to stop. Of course, because the distinction between not stopping the action and the action itself is blurred, I conceded that what you wrote is true, but just because something has a semantic meaning that is true doesn't preclude it from being misleading. A non-misleading title would be, "Man jailed for refusing to stop violating the building code after judge told him to stop," or perhaps "Man jailed for refusing to stop putting shingles on shingles after judge told him to stop." Those describe what happened. Your title implies that he was jailed merely for violating the building code, but if he had merely violated the building code, it's clear to me that he wouldn't have been jailed. My previous post made that quite clear, but you didn't quote that part that makes that clear. As to the issue itself, to make my position perfectly unclear - I admire the man's conviction.
Humans make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to create boredom. Quite astonishing.
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
Hmm.. I guess ya could put them big ships on giant tractors like they haul the space shuttle with and truck 'em across land running just parallel with the canal... Or you could go all the way around South America.
And I guess you could build a second bridge right next to the GGB. Now that I say it your plan makes perfect sense. In Bizarro Land! |
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