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I have always used a chop cup routine and last year bought a Riser/Loomis Micro Chop Cup set.
I have tried this out so many times but I am unable to get the reactions that a lemon/tomato production gets from a standard chop cup, and I find it hard to figure out why.

The final load production from the micro cup is so visual - the balls don't even fit in the cup yet still come from it - it amazes me and I am doing it! But the audience reaction is generally "Hey, nice trick" or the equivalent.
I have tried shortening the routine, in fact I have tried pretty much every combination of routine but it still fails to blow people away which I feel it should. Interestingly, my partner (who has seen everything), thinks it is just great and can watch it time and time again.

Do you use a mini/micro cup and how do you find it compares to the regular size?
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I use both; for the mini cup, I use red and blue "tennis" balls ( mini ones sold in pet stores for dogs) and get a good reaction. I still prefer the standard size, but the mini CC is so much easier to carry and travel with.

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I use both, standard for parlour and micro for walk around or close-up. My final load is a billiard ball (yellow) http://vimeo.com/13791106

In a parlor setting the audience infect each other with laughter and applause, in a close-up setting you get astonishment which sometimes leaves people not sure what to do.
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Nice video Tim, thankyou.
What I didn't mention was that I do the whole routine in MY hand, not on a table. I think that this might make for a slightly constricting routine.
I'll look into a table routine but with the Riser/Loomis cup the final loads will be small because of the shape of the cup.
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Why don't you do it on a spectator's hand and see if that makes a difference?
You can put a cloth napkin of the carrying bag for the cup on their palm and do the trick on this surface.
I wonder, do you do the full routine with the juggling bits and the Squash finale with the flask?
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I do the regular CC on a spectators hand with very good results.
The reason I haven't tried it with the micro is that it is sometimes difficult to gauge exactly where the chop ball on the specs hand is and also the final load balls would have to be the small ones.

I don't use the liquid and flask finish but I do juggle with them.

Maybe a Don Alan mini cup would be the way to go.....
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On 2011-08-07 11:20, Tim Dowd wrote:
I use both, standard for parlour and micro for walk around or close-up. My final load is a billiard ball (yellow) http://vimeo.com/13791106

In a parlor setting the audience infect each other with laughter and applause, in a close-up setting you get astonishment which sometimes leaves people not sure what to do.


I never grow tired of your micro-chop routine. It is so much fun and the perfect length.
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Tom: lovely routine
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Smile any excuse to reference it... Thanks to Donnie for the prop... Pete: hope you meant me Smile Jugglestruck or may I call you Luke? Go for it...
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Tim, I hope you do that routine for 1000 years. It's wonderful.
I don't know jugglestruck, you're doing the best parts of the Loomis routine. I don't think the vanish at the end is going to wow them any more than the production of all those superballs.
Maybe bigger IS better...
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Personally, I think part of the "wow" of a lemon or tomato is going to be the sise and incongruity of the final load. It isn't that the ball has changed size and color, it is that you no longer have a ball at all. Also, bright yellow or red fruit is harder to imagine being slipped in there without being detected, even if it really isn't any more difficult at all. I think this is why fruit loads work better than big balls for a cup and ball routine (at least in my inexperienced opinion). For that reason alone, I lean toward telling you to stick with the larger cup and the routine that you already konw gets the reactions you want.

Tim, I had seen your routine when you first posted a link here on the Café a while back. I loved it. Then I forgot to bookmark it and spent over an hour and a half with Google trying to find it a month ago. I'm not kidding. I couldn't find the thread here and was so relieved to find your video that I watched it at least three times in a row. I love your routine because it was the first chop cup routine I ever saw that made me like the chop cup. I had disliked the prop before. Intensely.

I still hate the hackneyed presentation where the magician says "is the ball in the cup or in my pocket?" and the audience is always wrong. I figured out how the gimmick works the first time I saw one of those routines because it was nothing magical, only a challenge to figure out what the guy with the cup is doing. Your performance is beautiful because the story disengages the whole challenge aspect. What's happening in my mind when I watch you is that you are not doing magic. You are simply illustrating a story of magic happening. The story transforms it into theater instead of a challenge. In other words, inspirational. I finally want a chop cup, only because of your routine. Just looking for the right one, now.

-Patrick
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Wow... Thanks Patrick... I am sure Donnie can fix you up... Please let us know how you get on...
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