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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
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On 2011-08-14 15:10, Magician Johnny wrote: Already answered in this thread - read it all, you'll see it. Jim |
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magicinsight Inner circle 4293 Posts |
You get two prepared gimmicks, a generous supply of material to make additional gimmicks, a supply of regular rubberbands and a performance/instructional DVD. The dvd shows how to link and unlink the rubberbands and shows how to make additional gimmicks. The gimmicks that come with the dvd should last numerous performances. However, while the dvd does state that the rubberbands can be given out to be examined is correct, you must use another gimmick to perform it again. You can easily make up several additional gimmicks beforehand to carry with you to use if you intend to perform repeatedly and intend to hand them out for inspection. Each gimmick may take you about 3-5 minutes to make. The supplies provided with the dvd you can make up around 15-20 gimmicks although you will need more rubberbands after making around 8 gimmicks. The extra something need to make additional gimmicks once teh provided supply is exhausted is very easy to obtain and very inexpensive.
All in all it is a very visual effect and easy to do. The DVD performance and instructions are fine. I like that they provide you with two already made gimmicks and a supply to make your own. For $15.00 it is a very nice package and I certainly recommend it. Michael
“Belief matters more than truth. Every moment, belief in imaginary things alters lives while truth sits unnoticed and waits.”
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zhoudumu Regular user philadelphia 172 Posts |
Thank you for your detail explanation.One last question. You said when you give out the rubberbands to exam, you definitely need to get rid of the gimmick. Does that mean you need to ruin the whole gimmick and to make new one from the raw material.So for example you said you have like 20 gimmicks supply, after 20 times performance, if everytime you let them be examed, you have to buy new material for new gimmick, which means if you do table hopping, it is not very practical, let the spectater to exam it everytime.
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On 2011-08-15 10:27, magicinsight wrote: |
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
Ordered from Blue Crown and wating for mine
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magicinsight Inner circle 4293 Posts |
You are provided with 10 regular rubberbands, 2 prepared gimmicked rubberbands and a supply of something else to gimmick either the already supplied rubberbands or your own rubberbands. The extra something supplied would make about 20+ gimmicked rubberbands. After that you can easily and inexpensively purchase a single order of that extra something that will last a good lifetime. If you are going to do table hopping, you could easily prepare even 20 gimmicks at home in an hour. While the gimmick needs to be replaced you do not need to replace the rubberbands themselves. The dvd also has a cute 3 linking rubberbands effect which you can do right away since you are provided with 2 gimmicked rubberbands. I was pleasantly surprised with the entire package and dvd that I received for only $15.00.
“Belief matters more than truth. Every moment, belief in imaginary things alters lives while truth sits unnoticed and waits.”
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jsheas Regular user 140 Posts |
Maybe it's my old eyes but the rubberbands don't actually looked linked in the demo.
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DougNicols Special user 846 Posts |
Has anyone gotten the "throw" down? My rubber band just falls to the floor instead of linking because of the nature of the gimmick.
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Michael Daniels Inner circle Isle of Man 1609 Posts |
IMO, any rubber band trick that needs a gimmick is of questionable value. There is so much good stuff that can be done totally impromptu and that will slay most people. And how many rubber band tricks do we need in our repertoire? Linking and unlinking bands in two or three impromptu ways surely proves the point that it is possible. I don't think we need to gild the lily or risk boring the audience with yet another method.
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zhoudumu Regular user philadelphia 172 Posts |
The question is how easy and practical the method is. We definitely do not want to boring our audience with different penetration methods£¬ so we try to find the easier one, right?
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lumberjohn Special user Memphis, TN 626 Posts |
Gimmicks are of value to me if they can substantially increase the cleanness or clarity of the effect and/or accomplish something that is impossible through slight of hand alone. The demo suggests that this gimmick would make the linking band illusion cleaner than traditional slight of hand methods and would create a moment impossible with only slight of hand.
One of the downsides to rubber band magic is that you are working with rubber bands, which everyone knows can be stretched and twisted in endless permutations. When the effect involves you twisting and stretching the bands, it provides a quasi-explanation for the effect. The specators may not know exactly what you are doing or how you are doing it, but they are likely to believe it has something to do with the qualities of the rubber band, which can be enough to lessen the magic. Accordingly, I think there is value to a rubber band effect in which the link appears this clean with no apparent stretching or twisting. If it takes a gimmick to accomplish this, then so be it. |
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lumberjohn Special user Memphis, TN 626 Posts |
As for how many rubber band tricks do we need in our repertoire, I would say just a few -- but make them the best and most magical you can. If I know the most magical rubber bank linking effect I can do requires a gimmick, then I will carry the gimmick around with me and perform that before any other. Wouldn't you always want to perform the strongest effect possible?
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Magicray69 Veteran user Tampa Bay 369 Posts |
I support Vinnie when it comes to edited demos.
If you go into a B&M magic shop the demos are not edited, of course. I think we should expect the same from ONLINE demos. Sleeve Star is a perfect example. I believe this is actually misrepresentation of the product. Demo should be one camera, non-edited display of the actual effect. If you have seen any of Vinnie's demos, you can see the actual effect performed from the spectator's point of view as it happens, without any edits. Let's be honest with what we are marketing. Your customers will appreciate it and won't feel they were ripped off by viewing a demo that is not a true, unenhanced rendition of how the trick is performed in THE REAL WORLD.
There was a time I had the blues,
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Matthew U Loyal user 205 Posts |
Guys, I think this is great! Well worth the money! Very clever and you can see this being used.
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Magicray69 Veteran user Tampa Bay 369 Posts |
Matthew... do you have it?
There was a time I had the blues,
the reason was I had no shoes. Until I met upon the street a man who had no feet. |
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zhoudumu Regular user philadelphia 172 Posts |
Matthew. Do you think DougNicols's question is a problem?
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On 2011-08-15 14:02, DougNicols wrote: |
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ralphs007 Inner circle 1087 Posts |
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On 2011-08-15 13:50, jsheas wrote: I agree.
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him".
James D. Miles |
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Tony Noice Veteran user 342 Posts |
To me, they look linked in the demo when the magician occasionally lifts up the bottom band for a second -- otherwise not.
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Magicmike221 Special user Manchester UK 612 Posts |
Ordered yesterday from Worldmagicshop
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
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On 2011-08-15 17:45, Magicray69 wrote: If an un-edited demo has the slightest chance of the secret being revealed through repetitive viewing then of course there should be edits. How can anyone not agree with this? Unless you are one of many who do not like paying for their magic. |
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Michael Daniels Inner circle Isle of Man 1609 Posts |
Just to clarify - I've got nothing against the use of gimmicks as such, espectially where they make an effect easier, stronger or more practical, or where they enable an effect that would not otherwise be possible.
Looking at the video, I'm not convinced that the link and unlink is necessarily going to be any easier or more practical than the sleight of hand methods. And I'm not sure it is particularly strong an effect, especially as the bands are not actually shown to be interlinked. Is it possible to start off with some sleight of hand methods (using the same bands), or will this mess up the gimmick? Mike |
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