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leftytheclown Loyal user Illinois 255 Posts |
Does anyone do Brick Pass. It looks very good on the demo, but how about different views/angles?
Thanks.
Lefty (aka) Sterling Dare
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jpleddington Loyal user Lewisburg, PA 294 Posts |
I just looked at this demo, having received an email about it from Penguin. I can't say that I agree with you about how it looks. It's got some pretty significant tells. For instance, consider the severe knuckle-pop in the the right thumb. I appreciate that most spectators don't know that knuckle-pop means "pass," but they do *sense* that knuckle-pop (and pointless jiggle) means "move."
Jason
philosophy & magic
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leftytheclown Loyal user Illinois 255 Posts |
Thanks for the observations. My original handling of the pass started with Henry Hay and I viewed Richard Kaufman's video, but it left a lot out. You are correct the jiggle move does telegraph a move. What do you suggest?
Lefty (aka) Sterling Dare
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
Wow it looks pretty good to me. I have seen him do it live, looks real good. He does say he prefers to use it as color change or a face up ambitious card type move rather than as a control. Maybe because you expect to see something happen with hands when a card changes. I don't think there is a totally burnable pass (although you can check our his turnover pass at Blue Crown) but this one happens real quick and you miss it if you blink. JMHO
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Hugokhf Special user 581 Posts |
The description in penguin said it also teaches you the turnover pass
and with just the slightest misdirection, just a gaze to spectator, will let the pass gone unnoticed. |
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
There are bits and pieces of Alex's Brick Pass that may be beneficial to ones personal perfection of a passable shift! I know I've benefited by studying it!
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jpleddington Loyal user Lewisburg, PA 294 Posts |
@Xcath1: I'm not surprised to hear that Pandrea prefers this for a color-change or face-up ACR phase. As a control, it seems to me to have problems, not the least is that it probably won't be invisible in a spectator's peripheral view. Even if you draw their gaze away from the deck, the movement is significant enough that they're likely to have the sense that something is happening between your hands.
@leftytheclown: In thinking about what to look for in a pass, and how to go about further developing my own, I've found some very good advice in Andrew Musgrave's conversation with Tyler Erickson on this topic, available on Musgrave's "Ye Olde Magic Blogge." Erickson, by the way, has an extraordinary pass, and you can learn it from him in his online lessons, which I recommend highly. Jason
philosophy & magic
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leftytheclown Loyal user Illinois 255 Posts |
Thanks to all. I've avoided the pass for years. Mike Close has a beautiful turn-over pass from his Workers Series for the Smiling Mule and Invisible Deck using a regular deck of cards.
@jpleddington: I will check out the blog. Thanks
Lefty (aka) Sterling Dare
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Adam1975 Special user UK 900 Posts |
This shift...gets my thumbs up,and I do all the passes.So there.
Ive upped my standards.Now,up yours!
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leftytheclown Loyal user Illinois 255 Posts |
Good for you. Not sure of the humor, but 'thumbs up'!
Lefty (aka) Sterling Dare
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doggylv New user 27 Posts |
Man, some of you guys are tough, I thought it looked great.........
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mag1cman Regular user Has contributed a meagre 142 Posts |
What's the best pass to practice if you are a newbie?
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
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On 2011-08-22 11:42, doggylv wrote: Yah, I agree. There are flaws, but those flaws exist with any shift work if we look hard enough. Alex does a great shift and from what I've heard the instruction on the download is stupendous. I look forward to seeing the work of those who find this sub-par. I'm sure it'll be enlightening. Ben
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Medifro Inner circle Miami 1258 Posts |
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On 2011-08-22 13:33, Ben Train wrote: You heard right. I highly recommend this download. Its very similar to a Richard Kaufman handling though as any pass student will know, its the small details that make a difference. I recommend his Turnover pass download too. |
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Adam1975 Special user UK 900 Posts |
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On 2011-08-22 11:42, doggylv wrote: Absolutely.This is good stuff.He does it beyond really well.In fact,this site is making a name for it self,for decent downloads.
Ive upped my standards.Now,up yours!
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bblumen Special user Baltimore 987 Posts |
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On 2011-08-22 13:15, mag1cman wrote: Start with Ralph Read's description of the Classic Pass in Tarbell I. Then, extend your research in the works of Marlo, Vernon, Jennings, Dingle, Krenzel, Duffie, Thompson,... Please, spare yourself from learning horrible technique like that which is the subject of this thread. Brian
"Lulling the minds of your company is more important than dazzling their eyes." Ed Marlo
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
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On 2011-08-22 14:07, bblumen wrote: Don't work on the pass. It builds on tools you won't have yet acquired. Grab Card College, volume 1, and work your way through that. You'll be glad you did. Best, Ben
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
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On 2011-08-22 13:15, mag1cman wrote: Study em all and practice what works well in YOUR hands! The Pass is a means to an end that may be accomplished but other sleights as well. I'll disagree with Brian about not "learning horrible technique" (or at least studying it) simply because I think it's important to learn what NOT to do as much as what TO do! IMO the Pass (at least in it's "Classic" form) is one of those Holy Grail type sleights and as I mentioned earlier is just another means to an end! I personally don't use a CP simply because it doesn't work in MY hands. I use variants and I will admit that I continue to study the "Classic" because I enjoy learning and would love to someday be able to execute it as flawlessly possible! I've acquired a bunch of info on the Pass over the years and I continue to work on it daily. I have Alex's download and have gleaned a lot of good points from it! Is it my personal go to shift? No, but it IS one that works well in my hands and coupled with many other good works on this sleight has definitely brought me closer to my goal of having a great Pass one day! MMc |
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Adam1975 Special user UK 900 Posts |
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On 2011-08-22 15:02, MickeyPainless wrote: Some good points from Mickey above.in fact,I would say some of the best passes are "mongrel" type passes,where you can glean some technique from lots of different ones,to make a decent pass,almost a Frankenstein approach,but it wont produce a monster! Study lots of passes and take the "best" of each.Best being what works for you,and what you like!
Ive upped my standards.Now,up yours!
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Mike Rozek New user 20 Posts |
I really don't see that this is anything but a personal handling of existing published ideas on the pass. The shaking motion, while described in many texts as a "cover" for the move, is particularly distasteful to me. There are better covers that don't telegraph the move, but I guess as a color change it isn't terrible.
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