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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts 
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On 2011-08-19 14:10, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: How is it, in any way, censoring? He is still completely free to say and think what ever he wants. If I had a friend, and they made some bigoted remark, then I severed my friendship with them, would I be "censoring" them?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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You don't think that the threat of economic sanction (demotion or termination) in retaliation for public speech is censorship? How is it different from the threat of a fine?
John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts
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On 2011-08-19 16:22, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: The Beatles never wrote and recorded a song entitled I Feel Economic Sanction (Demotion or Termination) |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts
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On 2011-08-19 16:39, S2000magician wrote: That's 'cause "The Man" wouldn't let 'em!
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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On 2011-08-19 16:22, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: The difference is that one is a voluntary association, the other is not. Free speech does not require private citizens to accommodate expressions of bigotry.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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On 2011-08-19 16:39, S2000magician wrote: LOL.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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Bill Hilly Elite user 449 Posts
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As Jerome Horowitz would say, "Here's a coincidence."
http://www.indianagazette.com/article_bb......ad0.html |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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On 2011-08-19 16:56, gdw wrote: Under our current laws, this is (largely) true. We have protections of free speech because we a vulnerable to abuses from the state. If we remove the state, why are suddenly not vulnerable to the largest powers?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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Because, again, voluntary association. That's another freedom you know. You have no right to force an employer to associate with you.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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So do you support any rights for workers? Or in your political scheme can an employer demand anything it wants of an employee because the employee can always quit?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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GDW believes the labor market is a free market.
Workers have the same options as employers to be instantly mobile and to go off shore for other opportunities. Workers have the same options as employers to live on the bracing air. Workers have the same right to organize as do employers to form cartels to enforce their demands. If only. Supply and demand for the labor commodity rules. Of course when the supply outstrips the demand, that's where a Swiftian analysis takes over.
Click here to get Gerald Deutsch's Perverse Magic: The First Sixteen Years
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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts
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On 2011-08-19 16:56, gdw wrote: Yes it does. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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Cartels simply are unsustainable in an actual free market.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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On 2011-08-19 21:03, landmark wrote: I think that this is slightly unfair. As I read gdw he believes that these things OUGHT to be the case, not that they are now. I still disagree with this position, but I think it is closer to what he claims. (But your description of union movements as "cartels" is nice  )
John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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On 2011-08-19 21:26, magicfish wrote: Really? Then I guess I can say what ever I want here on the Café, as they are obligated to accommodate me doing so. **** **** **** **** !@#$%^& mother ****er tits, nope, clearly it doesn't.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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On 2011-08-19 21:27, gdw wrote: A free market is free until it isn't free. Ice is a solid until it melts. What makes you think a cartel is unsustainable? What would make it so?
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On 2011-08-18 20:33, landmark wrote: But protecting teachers from potential consequences of their freedom of expression is a secondary consideration to the students' interest.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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On 2011-08-19 02:12, landmark wrote: A Facebook post IS an action.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts
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Excuse me if I misunderstood the article, but the guy finds the idea of gay sex "disgusting". Well, so do I. If I didn't, I'd do it.
America--land of the free and home of the brave. Just don't say what you really think, or someone's feelings might get hurt. Home of the brave. Just be careful when you are on Facebook. Is this what the world has come to? And people wonder why I am depressed? Is anyone out there sane anymore? |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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On 2011-08-19 23:28, LobowolfXXX wrote: Not so sure of that. It's incredibly powerful to see someone live by Voltaire's supposed dictum. The Ed Dept could say, we think this is disgusting, etc., but we think the principle is so fundamental to what makes us Americans, etc. A huge lesson, as was the case in the above mentioned NY Fire Dept example.
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