On 2011-09-15 01:09, Roger Kelly wrote:
I'll give him one more chance then Mal

And, Yes - the JOL stamped stuff from the likes of Top Secret are mass produced and not by Jerry! I nearly cried when I got my mini-himber - it was NOTHING like the original mottled leatrher FLAT wallet that Jerry used to make. (AND the 'business' inside was opposite to the original - which was of vital importance to me!)

Exactly Kissdadookie - a cheap replacement and I'm surprised Jerry put his initials to it.

On 2011-09-15 14:07, Mal3 wrote:
Anyone had experince with doing CTW unfolded with a Mesika Wallet? It's blurb says it can be done, on the other hand I've heard its impractical.

On 2011-09-15 18:04, Mal3 wrote:
Tony I've just had a look at your products and the undercover wallet looks great.

On 2011-09-15 18:44, Tony Curtis wrote:

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On 2011-09-15 18:04, Mal3 wrote:
Tony I've just had a look at your products and the undercover wallet looks great.

The Undercover Wallet will be available to magic dealers worldwide very soon.

Tony Curtis

On 2011-09-15 19:44, Mal3 wrote:

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On 2011-09-15 18:44, Tony Curtis wrote:

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On 2011-09-15 18:04, Mal3 wrote:
Tony I've just had a look at your products and the undercover wallet looks great.

The Undercover Wallet will be available to magic dealers worldwide very soon.

Tony Curtis

Will it be available only online or will it be available at stores such as Davenports?

On 2011-09-16 00:45, Tony Curtis wrote:
For anyone interested here is some history regarding the Shogun Wallet. It was originally Elbert L Gardner’s idea and Al’s Magic Shop owned the rights. I got permission to make the index pocket Shogun Wallet in 2004 for my Time Warp effect. After that I designed the Heirloom Wallet for Alakazam Magic followed by the Kolossal Killer wallet for Kenton Knepper.

Tony Curtis

On 2011-09-16 02:15, kissdadookie wrote:

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On 2011-09-16 00:45, Tony Curtis wrote:
For anyone interested here is some history regarding the Shogun Wallet. It was originally Elbert L Gardner’s idea and Al’s Magic Shop owned the rights. I got permission to make the index pocket Shogun Wallet in 2004 for my Time Warp effect. After that I designed the Heirloom Wallet for Alakazam Magic followed by the Kolossal Killer wallet for Kenton Knepper.

Tony Curtis

So Craig Dickson's post in regards to the Heirloom not being authorized is incorrect (it's basically the index pocket Shogun that you've received permission for).

On 2011-09-16 10:25, Craig Dickson wrote:
Tony

Elbert granted Al manufacturing rights when he was in business. Elbert said he maintained all intellectual property, and manuafacturing rights. I always told him, when he was ready, I would purchase sole rights to this. A number of years ago, after a stroke, Elbert phoned me and said he was ready, so we did that, I have notarized documents to that end. I do not doubt Al told you it was OK in 2004 to make an index pocket Shogun style wallet in 2004. Beyond that it is grey area, but I will not go there at all. As far as I am concerned, all you have that is existing is fine. At least you did ask. There was a similar instance with Tony Milller, they gave him limited permission to make one wallet incorporating it into his design. Tony told me about it when we were at Magi-Fest one year since he knew I now owed the rights, and despite our teasing, we have the highest respect for one another. All those agreements have passed since I own sole rights to it now.

Am I accusing you of stealing? No way. We are friends and hopefully will be for a long time to come. There have to be 20 wallets out there all claiming to have included the Sho-Gun principal into them. As far as I know now, only two people ever asked permission, you and Tony Miller. I have no problem with that for existing products by either of you. That is for the record. But no one has permission to include this or the name in any wallet yet to be developed or manufactured, or currently being manufactered with out permission. What I have a problem with is all those who just take what they want, use it, never ask nor credit those who did all the work on it or own rights. That is not me, not you, or not Tony.

Someone made a comment of the instructions with the JOL Sho-Gun. What they are are the original instructions included with the original Sho-Gun. This was to honor the originators and guys who made it famous. Elbert made them, Al Cohen made them famous, preserving that history is important to me. I well know there are so many newer killer uses for it. Eventually I will do a DVD of some of this an include it, but I told Elbert his name will always be associated with it, Al Cohen as well. That is just basic respect, something important to me.

As Spock said "Live Well and Prosper". Miss seeing you at Blackpool by the way.