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Magic-Daniel
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Hi

I have been out of magic for about 10 years. Unfortunately in that period, I also sold my Sherwood Engraved set:(
So I'm looking for a new set. I'm looking for a nice set of cups in the $100-300 price range.
Want some cups that are durable and are easy to polish, so they remain nice.

What cups should I look into?

Thanks,
Daniel
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I'm not sure of Rings and ThingsII's prices but look into their cups. But remember also that it doesn't matter what kind of cup you use. Daniel Cross used paper cups with the Pepsi's advertising on them for years behind the bar at the Desert INN Casino in Vegas. I've used Paul Fox cups, and everyday coffee cups as Michael Skinner had done. The cups don't matter it is what you do with them that does. The cups only matter to us magicians. We are the only ones that are impressed by if they are Sherwood's, Paul Fox or had once been owned by Dai Vernon. To non magicians they don't care what the cups are.
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Some cups do facilitate certain moves. So depending on your routine, the shape of the cups may make a difference. I have some RNT2 Monti cups that I like very well. I've never used them but the Paul Fox cups provide excellent functionality and well as being very aesthetically pleasing. You can't go wrong with cups from RNT2.
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I have a set of Mendoza cups from RNT2 that I like a lot. They handle nicely, they will do a roll back, etc. One cup is a combo cup, though I don't yet use that feature. But if ever I need it, it is there.

Mark
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RNT II is highly recommended. Check out their website. They have several sets in your price range.
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Ill second the RNT2 Paul Fox cups!
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I have a decent set of cups but going to the
$200-$300 dollar range is a little steep.
I shot my best game of golf one day
with a rented set of clubs from the club.
like rs1963 says you can do most any thing
with most cups.
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On 2011-09-05 10:31, Magic-Daniel wrote:
I have been out of magic for about 10 years. Unfortunately in that period, I also sold my Sherwood Engraved set:( So I'm looking for a new set. I'm looking for a nice set of cups in the $100-300 price range. Want some cups that are durable and are easy to polish, so they remain nice. What cups should I look into?


What types of routines do you prefer or plan to do? A standard routine like Vernon's or something different like Johnny Paul's, the Mendoza or other's requiring unique cups? Do you want copper, brass, stainless steel or aluminum cups? What about the cups weight or shape? Once you decide on functionality and cup specifics, the rest is really all opinion and cost.

That said..

If it was me, I'd buy another set of Sherwood's. IMO they they have a better feel and functionality compared to most other cups. The Copper Smooth's are more affordable compared to your previous set of Sherwood Engraved cups and are currently $300. They also generally weigh more than my other PF style cups; although they are at the top of your price range. There are many cup choices out there today - both new and used. Good luck, and welcome back!
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I plan to do a routine in the style of Vernon, Ammar or John Carney.
I'm certainly aware that a more expensive set won't do me a better magician or maybe impress the spectators more.
With that being said, I in general just like nice looking props.
I really like silver a lot, but I think I've heard that they tarnish a bit quicker than other types. Is that true?
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Silver won't tarnish any faster than any other metal, and probably not as fast as copper will. If you like a silver look, but don't want to pay sterling silver prices, consider a chrome finish. Chrome is really care free, as all you need to do is to wash them in plain water, or simply wipe them off, to remove any finger prints. And they look brilliant.
If you PM me, I certainly can help you with a set of cups from RNT2.com.
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Mr. Daniel,

A lot of good advice so far. Chrome cups really do look nice especially when the balls you use are a darker color or you work on a dark surface. The one exception I'll add to the comment about being able to use any cup (which of course is true) is that the design of the cups used by magicians are not only sized perfectly but shaped in such a way that the final loads look a bit more impossible. For example you can find a coffee mug that will fit a tennis ball but it would be pretty big, a nicely designed cup will be made so that it almost looks like a tennis ball wouldn't even fit in there.

Fancy cups really are for impressing other magicians or filling a personal want, but so what, that's not a bad thing.

R/

Phil
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Hello Daniel,

If you were happy with the way your Sherwood cups handeled, then you can go back to Sherwood cups at the upper end of your price range: Brett lowered the price of his copper and brass sets a while ago and they are now available for $300 (and the nickle plated version is only slightly more expensive). I think they are great cups...

All the best for your purchase,
Tilman

PS: All RNT 2 cups are highly recommended as well.
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I really like the Paul Fox style cups. And currently I'm looking at the SQUATTY 2 cups from RNT2. How would you rate the RNT2 cups quality vs Sherwood cups?
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I have handled both sets, they are both incredible and works of art. However, keep in mind that with Sherwood, there is only one design. The Sherwood design is really great, but like any cup it has its own special set of limitations (all cups do). I also like RNT2 because they have a selection. My point is, they type of cup you want really depends on what you plan to do with it. Your hand size, final load size, routine moves etc... all play a part in what type of cup you want. Personally I prefer the Paul Fox cups. I own many different sets, and they all have a purpose, but for my standard routine I use the Paul Fox set.

To explain deeper;

I use the Paul Fox set when at a table setting (it fits the routine and final loads perfectly)
I use a mini Paul Fox set when showing magicians new ideas close up or at a club meeting (it is easy to travel and allows for a familiar design for certain moves)
I use a set of Aluminum classic cups when performing out of country, for kids, or any place they may be exposed to weather or damage (These are my "travel" set and I don't have to worry about them)
I use my silver mini paul fox cups when I want to make other magicians jealous Smile
I use my Foxy 3 cups when I want something with a bigger load and a lot more weight (they are also a lot more threatening)
I use my Ramsey set for the Ramsey routine
I use my Morrissey when I am feeling nostalgic
I use my paper cup set when I am telling people how the cups and balls was my moms favorite trick.

They all have a reason and a purpose (not all good reasons, but reasons none the less). You likely don't need many different sets... yet, so just look at the design and what you want to do with them. Man I just rambled way to long on that (been "one of those days").

-Lee
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Go onto the cups and balls museum site. You can find a lot of information there that does not exist anywhere else.
"The Swatter"

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My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."

www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
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I decided to order the Squatty 2 from RNT2. Ordered them yesterday and already got en email that they have shipped!, Very excited:)
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I've onwned and used a lot of cups. My favorite in the $200-$300 range are Jim Riser's Standard Cups. They are my solid working cups.
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