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asgar
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Though I get a lot of appreciation at the end for my cups $ balls routine in my parlor or close-up shows,I feel It was less than expected for my stage performance .Points to be noted are:
My cups support average size loads.
Performing on stage is different than doing in parlor and it was the first time I performed it on stage.
I use a lot of interaction in my routine as Gazzo is one of my idols.But as I don't have a pouch yet I did not produce the big surprise from the hat on the stage. I used 4 loads(all different fruits) and I use 4 average loads and sometimes a melon in my parlor shows.
Unlike Vernon I waited a bit to reveal the last 3 loads.
My sleights are quite good but I do have a lot of things going on in the routine like juggling,stand up comedy and ball manipulation(had to use that for producing the small balls).

lot of magicians were there and I got a lot of appreciation after the show but I hoped for more claps at the end.

So what things that may have gone wrong.
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Maybe you need to post a video?
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Pete said it right. It is hard to say without having seen anything.
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Yeah I know But unfortunately I don't have one.I just want to know some pro ideas on how to win large crowds.I think this is an important thing to notice for me as well as many others.I'm hoping the seasoned performers will share some of their experience.Like Is it bad to use average cups on stage?When will you reveal the loads or how quickly?Should U mix to many things with the routine or keep it simple?I use a lot of different vanishes-Is it any good?Should I do anything special when revealing the loads?Should I use more loads?I pretend to make the ball come back to a cup then show it has a load?then wait a moment and then say I'm not finished -then show the other loads.IS it any good?...........................................
Thanks.If others are also interested please post the questions .I hope we'll get the some ideas from the elders.
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Videos are cheap and easy. Even if it's in your Living Room performing for your dog.

There are so many subtleties that we can't even get started until we see what you're doing. As far as we know you're performing in the dark. We won't know why they don't react as you like until we see what you're doing to prompt those reactions.
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What are your applause cues? The audience needs to get permission from you to break the respectful silence they give you when you are performing...just like a golfer.

A warm up to clapping gives the audience some time to bond...heck even David Copperfield "trains" his audience to get used to the feeling of clapping for him with his arm twisting opener.

A video will help tremendously as stated above by the fine men here!
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Read the classic texts on showmanship and presentation.

Video cameras have never been cheaper, so have some of your friends shoot video of the gigs. I often find a high vantage point and set up a tripod with the camera, if I don't bring a roadie with me.
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Maybe what you are doing is too distracting from the points that need to be emphasized. Maybe you should learn how to "sell" the loads.
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On 2011-09-09 22:47, Bill Palmer wrote:
Maybe what you are doing is too distracting from the points that need to be emphasized. Maybe you should learn how to "sell" the loads.


Thanks for repeating what my girlfriend always lectures me about, A double entendre of course!
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Posted: Sep 10, 2011 11:26am
I've been thinking about the question regarding getting the expected reaction from a routine.

Let me pass along a bit of information based upon experience and observation.

As a rule, the greater the distance between you and the audience, the clearer your plot lines must be. If you are performing a close-up or parlor show, you are within a couple of yards of most of the people in your audience. You can almost make direct contact with each one of them. So when you take a diversion from your cups to your juggling, you can get back to the cups fairly quickly.

You can "sell" yourself and your material much more easily over a short distance than over a long one.

However, when you get up on a stage, even if it's not a big one, there is more separation between you and the first row of your audience. So you need to "sell" yourself and your material over a longer distance. Any extraneous matter is going to interfere with the "sell."

So, you need to either record or write down your routine, then look at it with a critical eye and see what can be removed. Remove the distractions, and your routine will improve.

Dick Zimmerman used to say that the best way to have a good 25 minute show was to take a mediocre 30 minute show and remove the weakest 5 minutes. That's actually true.

So, let's suppose that you still want to do your juggling. Do it at a different point in the show. Take it out of the cups and balls routine and do it as a separate item. For example, finish the cups and balls. Then juggle the loads.

You might find that once you become accustomed to this it is also a better way to work close-up.

An alternative would be to have a small group of people, say two people, on stage with you during your cups and balls routine, so they can serve as a springboard for audience reaction.

Finally, make sure that your balls and loads are visible to the audience against the backdrop and the clothing you wear. If this is not the case, they will not appreciate the routine.

You really need a video camera or a director -- or both.
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On 2011-09-10 11:26, Bill Palmer wrote:
An alternative would be to have a small group of people, say two people, on stage with you during your cups and balls routine, so they can serve as a springboard for audience reaction.

All of Bill's advice is good, but if you choose to do what I've quoted above, you need to select the audience members very carefully. Pick people who have the brightest smile and are responding enthusiastically to you, and avoid the over-enthusiastic, crazy, or grumpy ones. Don't just pick the loudest most eager ones, as they are probably the most volatile. Selecting the correct audience member can REALLY make a show great. Selecting the wrong people can totally wreck your timing and ruin a performance.
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This is true. You need volunteers that you can control without appearing to do so. Gazzo has methods for this that don't work for me, but they fit Gazzo to a T. After a few years of performing on stage, it becomes second nature.
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Thanks a lot Bill.I was lazy to bring the camera but hopefully I'll be a lil more energetic.I think I have an idea.I finish the routine with juggling the loads so that the loads become more evident and juggling part does nor interfere with the show."So you need to "sell" yourself and your material over a longer distance-i think for the larger crowd I have to be more careful to direct the audience to what I have done or been doing.Thanks again.Thank you all.
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