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Kevin Gardner
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Does any one know if Aldo is using Monti or Bells of St. Mary's cups in this routine:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xk8h6h_......ortfilms

Perhaps neither?

St. Mary:
http://www.rnt2.com/index.php?dispatch=p......id=30540

Monti:
http://www.rnt2.com/index.php?dispatch=p......id=29911
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I have this on the original A1 VHS and have captured it to digital. It's one of my favorites and hard to find.
I'm fairly certain Aldo used low-grade aluminum cups for this performance. They sound like aluminum cups when they strike each other during the juggling, stacking and the nesting. The Bells would make a very different sound - being steel.
Any student of this routine will tell you that you don't want to START learning this routine with a high quality set of cups. You will dent the heck out of the mouth beads and saddles while you are tossing them into each other. Better to practice with a cheap set.
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It's also available on DVD under the title, "Mama Mia Magic."

Yes, it does have that aluminum-chrome-plated sound.
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I agree with Donnie - this effect is best learned with cheap cups, such as Uday aluminums. Even after you learn it and can perform it well, it would still probably be better to practice with the cheaper cups too. I never seemed to have the denting issue, but I can certainly see where it would have the potential to happen. When I was just getting into magic and into the cups and balls, my parents made me buy my own magic equipment (to learn responsibility and blah blah blah...hey, it worked!) and I had to do a lot of work to buy my first set of aluminum cups. A couple of times I could have sworn I tore up a cup or two, but it never happened.

I was fortunate enough to see Aldo do this during his Mamma Mia lecture tour and I bought the A1 video that Donnie mentioned at one of the conventions. I should probably put it onto a DVD as well...it is getting a little worn out these days. Just a testament to how great a routine it really is!
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Aldo performs this routine and then explains how to do it on Volume 1 of the World's Greatest Magic cups and balls DVD.
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I guess I should have read the text first. In the Ganson book (booklet) it states that Colombini is using the Morrisey cups (page 8). They look different than the cups Morrisey currently manufactures?
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Doing this routine I will ended with balls and cups all over the floor.

How can I download this routine to my laptop? I have the Ganson booklet for this routine but it will be great to have also the video
Mad Jake
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Morrisey cups have changed over the years, and somewhat not for the better.
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On 2011-09-20 13:13, pabloinus wrote:
Doing this routine I will ended with balls and cups all over the floor.

Doing this routine with Pom Poms helps. A regular round ball can be used but it will make a little more noise for close up than is desired, and it will roll around the inside of the cup more than a Pom Pom will. Once you start tossing the cups from hand to hand you will find it thoroughly addictive Smile It is a little "flashier" than I prefer nowadays. It looks cool, but doesn't really instill a sense of mystery and simplicity in a routine.
It's not as difficult as it looks and is similar to a move that Eddie Joseph described in one of his books (I know...).
I would suggest you just don't overdo it unless you are actually demonstrating "magic juggling".
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I have an older combo set from the 90's. Much better than what I see now.
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The 90's was a big change for both Ickle Pickle and Morrisey. Ickle Pickle went from doing copper/alum/brass down to just aluminum.
Morrisey changed their cups for the worse when they changed the design completely IMHO. Todays cups don't compare to the ones made in the 70's - 90's.
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On 2011-09-20 22:06, Mad Jake wrote:
The 90's was a big change for both Ickle Pickle and Morrisey. Ickle Pickle went from doing copper/alum/brass down to just aluminum.
Morrisey changed their cups for the worse when they changed the design completely IMHO. Todays cups don't compare to the ones made in the 70's - 90's.


I agree. The vintage Morrisey cups are far superior to the ones the past decade or so. The early copper cups especially were pretty good cups. The saddle was a bit too narrow for my taste, however.
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I agree with Donnie. A little bit of cup flipping goes a long way for me. I believe a routine has more impact for the audience when it's simple and performed rather slowly. Adding a sequence or two from Aldo's routine would be nice though.
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Okay, let me clear a few things up. The original "Bells of St. Mary's" were steel, chrome-plated Monti cups.

The older Morrissey cups looked a lot like them. However, over the years, in order to keep the prices down, Morrissey has changed the design and has used thinner copper.
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