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On 2011-09-27 11:02, jugglestruck wrote:
It was, I'm afraid, bad timing, we both posted at the same time and I got in first.

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On 2011-09-27 11:00, HerbLarry wrote:
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If your friend appears to be truly depressed, do help her to seek medical help. It may be more urgent than you at first think.




Does anyone ever read the posts prior to their own?



Check the time stamps. We posted at the same time. But thanks for the kind thoughts.
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Although it's pretty unreasonable to expect everyone to read every post in every thread all of the time. Sometimes we're in a rush and have to count on the OP and a quick skim to try and get the gist, as I did.
So, in short, Smile
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It is in fact totally unreasonable for one to read about what they are commenting on.
I stand/sit/recline corrected.
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I heard a woman talk on the radio last week who deals with elderly and dying people. She asked them all what they most regretted about their lives and the majority said that they wished they had allowed themselves to be happier.

I thought this was a fascinating observation. We have a tendency to bog our days down with the smallest of troubles and in years to come I'm sure that we too will say "Why didn't I allow myself to be happier?"
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On 2011-09-27 13:02, HerbLarry wrote:
It is in fact totally unreasonable for one to read about what they are commenting on.
I stand/sit/recline corrected.


wtf? am I expected to read something that wasn't posted when I started writing? One you begin your response do you re-open the thread in another window just to make sure nothing happened in the minute of so you have been writing?
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On 2011-09-27 13:02, HerbLarry wrote:
It is in fact totally unreasonable for one to read about what they are commenting on.
I stand/sit/recline corrected.


Every post? Great, so before anyone renders political opinions I expect them to watch every newscast and read every newspaper, otherwise they just aren't qualified to respond.
And you may not pick a religion until you read every religious tome. Ever. Even the ones the Romans burned.
And you may not eat until you have read every nutrition manual...

On second thought: No, you don't have to. That would be ridiculous.

Plus what Magnus said.
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Great, so before anyone renders political opinions I expect them to watch every newscast and read every newspaper, otherwise they just aren't qualified to respond.



Not a bad idea. Not bad at all.

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And you may not pick a religion until you read every religious tome. Ever. Even the ones the Romans burned.



Again, not a bad idea. The world would be a better place.


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And you may not eat until you have read every nutrition manual...

On second thought: No, you don't have to. That would be ridiculous.




That would be just Rong, I agree.

You guys are great for laughs.
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That would be just Rong, I agree.


For a second I thought you said "bong."

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You guys are great for laughs.


Interesting that concern about suicide is what makes you laugh, but hey, if that's your thing then don't let me stop you. Yuk it up.
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Nice the way you put that whole laughing about suicide in my mouth with my vocal inflection.
Ever considered the Vent thing?
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I sure didn't anticipate this turn of events when I started here.....do you think it would be better if this thread had never existed?
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If my inferrance is wrong then feel free to explain your side. If you haven't then I can only follow the linear path of what you said in the thread to the simplest conclusion. Getting mad and lashing out about it isn't going to help me understand why you jumped John's **** for offering help when he saw what he percieved as a warning sign.
Maybe you don't care whether I understand. That's okay too. If you don't care then there's no point still talking about it and we can happily ignore each other.
I'd rather learn about people and make an effort to at least be cordial, but it's your call.
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I've been cordial, am not mad, and haven't lashed out at anyone.
I simply think it is funny that I see every day people on this site comment on threads they have no knowledge of when the solution is reading.
I was serious about the politics & religion comments you made.
How you came to the conclusion that I am mad/lashing out or was laughing or making fun/jokes about suicide is beyond me. I write the words, after that I'm out of the process.
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It appears that there is a fundemental disparity in our perceptions of the comments in this thread.
Something lacking in non face-to-face communication perhaps.
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On 2011-09-27 05:20, jugglestruck wrote:
A friend of mine has just said that given the choice she would rather not have been born...


How might one consider such a thing? To consider is to be. What presumed ability to see and consider "what is" could exclude the self?

So here you are. What would you like to do now?
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Ah Jon, you old Cartesian! I've always had my suspicions.

John
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Not being born is not an option for most people.
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On 2011-09-27 20:09, markmiller wrote:
Not being born is not an option for most people.


Metaphysics might not be the hobby for you.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2011-09-27 05:20, jugglestruck wrote:
A friend of mine has just said that given the choice she would rather not have been born.
She has what you would call a good life but says if she had never existed she would not think, feel, contemplate an afterlife or ........anything! She would just not have been.

I must admit this concept of non existence had not really crossed my mind before.

What are your views on it?


I think some of the concerns about her being suicidal is because many of us have a hard time understanding some other reason for her feelings. You don't really go into why she feels this way. Is this something that she has explained in further detail to you? You go on to say that she says that if there IS an afterlife, she'd rather not be part of it and would rather not exist. (I'm paraphrasing)

It certainly sounds like someone very unhappy with her life although you've described her quite differently. I'm really curious as to her reasoning.

Mike
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"Would you rather not have been born?"

No.

Smile
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I asked my girlfriend, if given the choice, would she opt to come back again - she would have no memory of this life but would just be another person thinking "I".

She said no, the prospect of nothingness forever really appealed to her.
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