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The annihilation of the individual personality, often with its merging with a Cosmic Consciousness, like a drop of water or a wave merging with the ocean, is a theme of some religious or spiritual traditions.
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I can't recall what it was like.
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On 2011-09-28 10:16, tommy wrote:
I can't recall what it was like.


My girlfriends point exactly.
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How about a Star Trek scenario. The Transporter works (so far as I can tell) by reading all the relevant data about your body, annihilating you, then building an exact copy in the remote location, using local materials.

So what happens is that you are destroyed and a copy that thinks it's you is created.

Would you really be willing to do this?

John
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The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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Me? No!
I'll ask my girlfriend but I think she'll say you're just being silly!
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On 2011-09-28 10:37, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
How about a Star Trek scenario. The Transporter works (so far as I can tell) by reading all the relevant data about your body, annihilating you, then building an exact copy in the remote location, using local materials.

So what happens is that you are destroyed and a copy that thinks it's you is created.

Would you really be willing to do this?

John


Yes, I would be willing. That'd be a cool way to go out (if I did).

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How do I know I am not already a copy that thinks it is me?
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On 2011-09-28 11:52, Woland wrote:
How do I know I am not already a copy that thinks it is me?


You never know. Smile
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On 2011-09-28 10:37, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
How about a Star Trek scenario. The Transporter works (so far as I can tell) by reading all the relevant data about your body, annihilating you, then building an exact copy in the remote location, using local materials.

So what happens is that you are destroyed and a copy that thinks it's you is created.

Would you really be willing to do this?

John


I got in a lot of trouble when I tried this with money.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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Actually though (and I'm about to get geeky for a minute) I believe that the Star Trek Technical Manual (not that I've ever read it... cough... cough...) says that the transporter actually breaks your component parts down into molecules or atoms or something and really does shoot them through space and reassemble them.
I, uh, beat up a nerd for this information. Yeah... that's the ticket...

But that was back in high school so I could be remebering wrong.
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You are correct about the disassembling of molecules, shooting molecules and reassembly of those molecules on the planets surface or wherever else.
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By 1990 or so it was common hard scifi story that a tradeoff has to be made, or at least explored. A copy goes somewhere and subjectively experiences the here-now->there now while the non-copy is here-now. So what do you do with here-now? Integration by parts goes beyond the subjunctive when it comes to memories.

And what does she mean by experience of nothingness?
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The Star Trek Transporter would probably be a great way to cure disease, because don't germs get killed during transport?

Not that this has ANYTHING to do with the original question...
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Just a way of distracting from considering that you're arguing over 1960s scifi when there's been fifty years of progress considering the matters in easily accessible stories that pertain to this topic.
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Jon, have you ever been under anesthesia? That's experiencing nothingness.
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I've been asleep before.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2011-09-28 21:06, edh wrote:
Jon, have you ever been under anesthesia? That's experiencing nothingness.


how would I know? woke up after my one operation with a headache and feeling weak once but I don't recall anything about the time after I passed and the time I woke up - no experience is not the same as experiencing nothingness. That's more like the nowhere man scene after the vacuum thingie happens.
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On 2011-09-28 10:37, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
How about a Star Trek scenario. The Transporter works (so far as I can tell) by reading all the relevant data about your body, annihilating you, then building an exact copy in the remote location, using local materials.

So what happens is that you are destroyed and a copy that thinks it's you is created.

Would you really be willing to do this?

John


Sounds more like The Prestige than Star Trek!
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On 2011-09-28 21:01, ClintonMagus wrote:
The Star Trek Transporter would probably be a great way to cure disease, because don't germs get killed during transport?

Only the bad germs, I'd imagine. All of the good bacteria (for example, in one's digestive tract) undoubtedly survive intact.

Pretty dang clever things, these transporters.
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