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Alex Rapattoni
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Are there any subtle one way back designs out there?

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To answer your question ... YES. Most decks are one way, you just have to know where to look. Some are designed to be one way and those are ideal. The Conjuring Arts Research Center just put out a one way deck that's amazing.

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Hi Alex,


Discussed in past threads, but worth remembering, is “Secret of Palmettos,” by Jeff Busby.


The Texan Palmetto backs are still available in Canada at Bradley Games:


http://fgbradleys.com/fgb-cart/Product.asp?pid=1611&cat=71
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On 2011-09-29 20:43, Doug McKenzie wrote:
To answer your question ... YES. Most decks are one way, you just have to know where to look. Some are designed to be one way and those are ideal. The Conjuring Arts Research Center just put out a one way deck that's amazing.

D



If you are referring to the CARC "Ask Alexander" decks, I would respectfully suggest they do not qualify as a "subtle" one-way design.

They are as obvious as Bulldog Squeezers.
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I thought he was referring to the Erdnaseum Commemorative decks, which if actually a one-way deck would be far more subtle than the Ask Alexander decks.
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Bicycle League Back is subtle, and can be seen from across a room!


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On 2011-09-30 10:06, Steven Keyl wrote:
I thought he was referring to the Erdnaseum Commemorative decks, which if actually a one-way deck would be far more subtle than the Ask Alexander decks.



Indeed; and if so, I do apologize for leaping ahead of asking!
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The League Backs are indeed subtle yet obvious.
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Bicycle League Back is subtle, and can be seen from across a room!


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Brian is dead on with this suggestion. Annemann LOVED these and for good reason: you have great visibility as Brian notes AND the patter is still BEAUTIFULLY subtle. I picked up a dozen of these at my dealer's recently.

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On 2011-09-30 12:15, Vlad_77 wrote:

Brian is dead on with this suggestion. Annemann LOVED these and for good reason: you have great visibility as Brian notes AND the patter is still BEAUTIFULLY subtle. I picked up a dozen of these at my dealer's recently.

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On 2011-09-29 20:43, Doug McKenzie wrote:
To answer your question ... YES. Most decks are one way, you just have to know where to look. Some are designed to be one way and those are ideal. The Conjuring Arts Research Center just put out a one way deck that's amazing.

D



If you are referring to the CARC "Ask Alexander" decks, I would respectfully suggest they do not qualify as a "subtle" one-way design.

They are as obvious as Bulldog Squeezers.


The people at Conjuring Arts are much smarter than you think. I respectfully urge you to buy a deck.
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I loved the Palmetto Decks, especially with the information in Jeff Busby's old book "The Secrets of the Palmettos." However, I bought a couple dozen of the "Texan" decks from a source in Canada after being assured they were the Palmetto backs. When they arrived, they were not. So, if you are going to buy them, be careful.

I checked out the Link panlives gives us and it shows the box, but not the actual back design. If these are truly the Palmetto design, then I recommend that you pick some up. If you don't have the Busby book, these cards are more than one-way backs. They are edge marked so that if a card is reversed in the deck, you can spot it, and cut right to it from the edge. It's a very deceptive tool since the cards can be shuffled after a card is returned and you can still easily find the card without looking at the faces.

If you are working with these, or plan to, feel free to contact me and I'll be happy to tell you about some of the stuff I do with it.

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On 2011-09-30 14:40, Doug McKenzie wrote:
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On 2011-09-29 20:43, Doug McKenzie wrote:
To answer your question ... YES. Most decks are one way, you just have to know where to look. Some are designed to be one way and those are ideal. The Conjuring Arts Research Center just put out a one way deck that's amazing.

D



If you are referring to the CARC "Ask Alexander" decks, I would respectfully suggest they do not qualify as a "subtle" one-way design.

They are as obvious as Bulldog Squeezers.


The people at Conjuring Arts are much smarter than you think. I respectfully urge you to buy a deck.



My comment was not meant to impugn the reputation of the amazing folks at the Conjuring Arts Research Centre.

I am an Erdnase-level member and have purchased many CARC products, including their cards.

Still, if you are referring to the “Ask Alexander” cards, they have several amazing qualities. Subtlety of one-way design is not one of them.
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On 2011-10-01 08:39, Dennis Loomis wrote:
I loved the Palmetto Decks, especially with the information in Jeff Busby's old book "The Secrets of the Palmettos." However, I bought a couple dozen of the "Texan" decks from a source in Canada after being assured they were the Palmetto backs. When they arrived, they were not. So, if you are going to buy them, be careful.

I checked out the Link panlives gives us and it shows the box, but not the actual back design. If these are truly the Palmetto design, then I recommend that you pick some up. If you don't have the Busby book, these cards are more than one-way backs. They are edge marked so that if a card is reversed in the deck, you can spot it, and cut right to it from the edge. It's a very deceptive tool since the cards can be shuffled after a card is returned and you can still easily find the card without looking at the faces.

If you are working with these, or plan to, feel free to contact me and I'll be happy to tell you about some of the stuff I do with it.

Dennis Loomis


Hi Dennis,

The box shown in the link I appended is indeed the Texan Palmetto backs.

I buy them retail at Bradley Games in Toronto.

There is another “Texan” deck, which have entirely different backs, here:

http://www.kardwell.com/texan-playing-cards.htm
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I'm thrilled to hear that the Palmetto Backs are still available. When I said they were edge marked, I was slightly inaccurate. What makes these impossible for a spectator to spot is that they are BEVEL EDGE MARKED. That means that the mark which appears when one card is reversed in the deck is not visible if you hold the deck squared. If you just slightly bevel the deck, the marks appear.

The Palmetto "all over" back design is, I think, quite beautiful. The cards handle beautifully and faro quite easily.

But the way the cards are cut in the factory greatly affects the marks. Not every deck works the same way as far as the bevel edge marks. But, in his book, "The Secrets of the Palmettos," Jeff Busby explains how you can adjust this with a few minutes work with an Emory Board.

In addition to the Bevel Edge Markings, the Palmettos have clear one-way marks on the top of the card if you want to work with them in the standard manner. There are two different places where you can pick up these marks, both in the upper left hand corner of the cards. If you have a Palmetto Deck, look for one of the Palmetto Leafs that has two distinct white marks next to each other. If you turn the card around, there is only one mark on the other end. There are other one way marks, but if have the Palmettos you can find them yourself with a little searching.

I've only scratched the surface of "The Secrets of the Palmettos." Alas, the Busby book is out of print, but it's possible to find it used.

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I don't have the Palmetto Texans.
But since the topic of this thread is One Way Back Design I think it should be mentioned, that the Not-Genuine Texans from Kardwell mentioned by Panlives ( http://www.kardwell.com/texan-playing-cards.htm ) also have one way back design!

I got a pack for free from my magic dealer in Denmark and discovered the nice one-way-feature. The dealer didn't even know hwat I was talking about! The important detail is near the corner (not in the margin) and easily recognizable (only) if you you know exactly where to look.

Unfortunately the cards are a little too sticky and stiff for serious card slights. So I would not recommend them for all round card work. But for self working or tricks depending mainly on the one-way-feature they have a nice old fashioned gambling-style look.

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Trolle,

Nice find.

I had to take a hard look at the other Texan backs.

You are indeed correct.
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On 2011-09-30 14:40, Doug McKenzie wrote:
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On 2011-09-30 07:34, panlives wrote:
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On 2011-09-29 20:43, Doug McKenzie wrote:
To answer your question ... YES. Most decks are one way, you just have to know where to look. Some are designed to be one way and those are ideal. The Conjuring Arts Research Center just put out a one way deck that's amazing.

D



If you are referring to the CARC "Ask Alexander" decks, I would respectfully suggest they do not qualify as a "subtle" one-way design.

They are as obvious as Bulldog Squeezers.


The people at Conjuring Arts are much smarter than you think. I respectfully urge you to buy a deck.


You know...I've been playing with these cards since I got them (I bought them the day they were released) and just discovered one of the secrets last night. I had a good laugh over it. Very subtle...and it's been staring me in the face this whole time...when I was showing them to a group of magicians a few weeks back, who didn't own the cards, none of them noticed this feature either...bloody brilliant.
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