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On 2011-10-09 13:44, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Woland (and Pakar) you are conflating two completely separate issues.

There are wicked people in this world doing wicked things. NOBODY DENIES THAT.

It is pure bigotry to blame all people of the same faith (or ethnicity or colour etc.) for these wicked acts.

John


Etnicity. Yes.

Colour. Yes.

These should never be used to discriminate or judge people by.

Faith?

Imho, that really depends on what is being advocated in that faith. Especially when it comes to "advocated violence". (You are given a path to "Heaven" doing those.)

I for one would rather have love and peace.

But for some "love and peace" only comes with submitting to their unproven belief/faith (because some guy came out of a cave sayin' "God has spoken me...").

That is the problem for me, someone believing God advocating violence for His pleasure... Smile
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I know.

What I just said is besides the original thread's issue.

For that, I am sorry... But I come from the "inside" of this issue and I see things brewing that most of you don't. Smile
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Thank you, Pakar Ilusi. Be careful and stay well! As they say, "keep five yards . . ."
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Thanks for the concern Woland. Smile
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On 2011-10-11 04:14, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
I know.

What I just said is besides the original thread's issue.

For that, I am sorry... But I come from the "inside" of this issue and I see things brewing that most of you don't. Smile


In a sense you are right; but in another you are very much outside. Indonesia is very different from North America. The character names are similar, but the situation--legally, culturally and historically is quite different.

John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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Whose side is the State Department on?

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An official from the U.S. State Department has called the Charlotte family of al-Qaida propagandist Samir Khan to offer the government's condolences on his death in a U.S. drone attack last week in Yemen, according to a family spokesman.

"They were very apologetic (for not calling the family sooner) and offered condolences," Jibril Hough said about the Thursday call from the State Department to Khan's father, Zafar.

The phone call came a day after the family released a statement through Hough that condemned the "assassination" of their 25-year-old son - a U.S. citizen - and said they were "appalled" that they had not heard from the U.S. government to discuss their son's remains or answer questions about why Khan was not afforded due process.

On Friday, State Department spokesman Harry Edwards confirmed to the Observer that the call had been made, but said "privacy issues" kept him from offering details.

Hough said the Thursday conversation lasted a few minutes.

"It wasn't just 'I'm sorry' and hang-up," said Hough, who added that the phone call included no discussion of the status or condition of Khan's remains.

Khan was killed along with cleric Anwar al-Awlaki.
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Did Jesus eat pork?
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Of course not, tommy. But did Jesus ever incite his disciples or other followers to prevent Romans or Greeks from eating pork?
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Is it not terror tactics to tell someome they will burn in hell for eternity if they don't follow you?

I don't know, isn't there something about what you should and should not eat in the book?
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Did Jesus ever tell anyone they would burn in hell for eternity if they didn't follow Him? I don't remember reading that in the Gospels.

The Bible certainly records Divine instructions regarding what was proper for the Jews to eat. Those instructions don't apply to other people. Jesus preached to Jewish people, and if I understand the Sermon on the Mount, He expected them to follow every jot and tittle of the Divine instructions. But I don't think He ever told Greeks or Romans or other people that they had to follow those instructions. In fact, Saint Paul, if I am not mistaken, said that none of those specific instructions applied to Christian believers, anyway, even if they had been Jews.

And no, I don't think it is "terror tactics" to tell people they will burn in hell or to tell them anything at all. It is terror tactics to murder people in order to frighten them into doing what you want them to do.
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Oh I see so his teachings were for Jews only. I thought he told them to spread the word to everyone. What about The Inquisition can you explain that to me.
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I didn't realize Jesus was around during the inquisition.
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I thought that he was always around.

So what was he during the inquisition, a triangle?

:)
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Well, tommy, that raises an interesting theological or philosophical question, if the Deity is indeed omnipotent and omniscient, why doesn't the world seem more benevolent? But that's beyond our scope.
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On 2011-10-11 04:14, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
I know.

What I just said is besides the original thread's issue.

For that, I am sorry... But I come from the "inside" of this issue and I see things brewing that most of you don't. Smile



In a sense you are right; but in another you are very much outside. Indonesia is very different from North America. The character names are similar, but the situation--legally, culturally and historically is quite different.

John



I am NOT from Indonesia anyway... Smile
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On 2011-10-13 04:12, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
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On 2011-10-11 09:02, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
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On 2011-10-11 04:14, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
I know.

What I just said is besides the original thread's issue.

For that, I am sorry... But I come from the "inside" of this issue and I see things brewing that most of you don't. Smile



In a sense you are right; but in another you are very much outside. Indonesia is very different from North America. The character names are similar, but the situation--legally, culturally and historically is quite different.

John



I am NOT from Indonesia anyway... Smile


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BTW, cool flag bro!
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Yes, it is cool flag right? Smile
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On 2011-10-13 04:12, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
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On 2011-10-11 09:02, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
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On 2011-10-11 04:14, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
I know.

What I just said is besides the original thread's issue.

For that, I am sorry... But I come from the "inside" of this issue and I see things brewing that most of you don't. Smile



In a sense you are right; but in another you are very much outside. Indonesia is very different from North America. The character names are similar, but the situation--legally, culturally and historically is quite different.

John



I am NOT from Indonesia anyway... Smile


My mistake. You are from Malaysia and I mistyped. My apologies. Indonesia came to mind because of its more obvious Islamic governance.

Malaysia is an interesting country which, so far as I can tell, has institutionalized freedom of religion, while maintaining Islam as a state religion.

My bad. You can call me American or something equally insulting to even things out.

John
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The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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Actually, Magnus, I think Malaysia is a much more Islamic and Islamist country than Indonesia . . . although Indonesia is the most populous Muslim country in the world. But I would leave that to Pakar Ilusi to explain.

And since you live in North America, Magnus, you are an American already. Whether your comment indicates that you deserve the label or not, I shall leave to others, perhaps more charitable, to judge.
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Magnus Eisengrim, WHILE WE MAY DISAGREE ON SOME ISSUES, I think of you as a friend... Smile

It's a mistake that I understand.

And you should be proud to be American. Smile
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