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On 2011-10-09 13:44, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Etnicity. Yes. Colour. Yes. These should never be used to discriminate or judge people by. Faith? Imho, that really depends on what is being advocated in that faith. Especially when it comes to "advocated violence". (You are given a path to "Heaven" doing those.) I for one would rather have love and peace. But for some "love and peace" only comes with submitting to their unproven belief/faith (because some guy came out of a cave sayin' "God has spoken me..."). That is the problem for me, someone believing God advocating violence for His pleasure... 
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5715 Posts
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I know.
What I just said is besides the original thread's issue. For that, I am sorry... But I come from the "inside" of this issue and I see things brewing that most of you don't.
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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Woland Special user 680 Posts
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Thank you, Pakar Ilusi. Be careful and stay well! As they say, "keep five yards . . ."
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5715 Posts
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Thanks for the concern Woland.
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1064 Posts
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On 2011-10-11 04:14, Pakar Ilusi wrote: In a sense you are right; but in another you are very much outside. Indonesia is very different from North America. The character names are similar, but the situation--legally, culturally and historically is quite different. John
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Woland Special user 680 Posts
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Whose side is the State Department on?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil’s Island 16253 Posts
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Did Jesus eat pork?
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Woland Special user 680 Posts
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Of course not, tommy. But did Jesus ever incite his disciples or other followers to prevent Romans or Greeks from eating pork?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil’s Island 16253 Posts
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Is it not terror tactics to tell someome they will burn in hell for eternity if they don't follow you?
I don't know, isn't there something about what you should and should not eat in the book?
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Woland Special user 680 Posts
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Did Jesus ever tell anyone they would burn in hell for eternity if they didn't follow Him? I don't remember reading that in the Gospels.
The Bible certainly records Divine instructions regarding what was proper for the Jews to eat. Those instructions don't apply to other people. Jesus preached to Jewish people, and if I understand the Sermon on the Mount, He expected them to follow every jot and tittle of the Divine instructions. But I don't think He ever told Greeks or Romans or other people that they had to follow those instructions. In fact, Saint Paul, if I am not mistaken, said that none of those specific instructions applied to Christian believers, anyway, even if they had been Jews. And no, I don't think it is "terror tactics" to tell people they will burn in hell or to tell them anything at all. It is terror tactics to murder people in order to frighten them into doing what you want them to do. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil’s Island 16253 Posts
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Oh I see so his teachings were for Jews only. I thought he told them to spread the word to everyone. What about The Inquisition can you explain that to me.
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rockwall Special user 763 Posts
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I didn't realize Jesus was around during the inquisition.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil’s Island 16253 Posts
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I thought that he was always around.
So what was he during the inquisition, a triangle? :)
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Woland Special user 680 Posts
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Well, tommy, that raises an interesting theological or philosophical question, if the Deity is indeed omnipotent and omniscient, why doesn't the world seem more benevolent? But that's beyond our scope.
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5715 Posts
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On 2011-10-11 09:02, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: I am NOT from Indonesia anyway... 
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2551 Posts
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On 2011-10-13 04:12, Pakar Ilusi wrote: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications....../my.html BTW, cool flag bro!
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5715 Posts
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Yes, it is cool flag right?
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On 2011-10-13 04:12, Pakar Ilusi wrote: My mistake. You are from Malaysia and I mistyped. My apologies. Indonesia came to mind because of its more obvious Islamic governance. Malaysia is an interesting country which, so far as I can tell, has institutionalized freedom of religion, while maintaining Islam as a state religion. My bad. You can call me American or something equally insulting to even things out. John
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Woland Special user 680 Posts
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Actually, Magnus, I think Malaysia is a much more Islamic and Islamist country than Indonesia . . . although Indonesia is the most populous Muslim country in the world. But I would leave that to Pakar Ilusi to explain.
And since you live in North America, Magnus, you are an American already. Whether your comment indicates that you deserve the label or not, I shall leave to others, perhaps more charitable, to judge. |
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5715 Posts
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Magnus Eisengrim, WHILE WE MAY DISAGREE ON SOME ISSUES, I think of you as a friend...
It's a mistake that I understand. And you should be proud to be American.
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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