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On 2011-10-07 20:16, landmark wrote:
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On 2011-10-07 12:37, Woland wrote:
What if an integral part of someone's religious tradition is that it be forced on everyone else in the world?

I've been trying to get them to open the schools on Christmas for years, but no one will listen.


Why are you so anti-Pagan?
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Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I believe that would be "Yule."
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What if an integral part of someone's religious tradition is that it be forced on everyone else in the world?

I've been trying to get them to open the schools on Christmas for years, but no one will listen.


Wow. I'll bet if you succeed, that'll get the union pretty mad at you!

Nah, me I was trying to get Joe Hill's birthday off.
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The whole pork/halal thing does not apply when you are a prisoner. A lot of people thought we should have fed the inmates in Guantanamo Bay pork rinds and beer. In Islam they are allowed to eat what they need to survive.
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I did not read the whole thread. But let me get this straight. We have a bunch of people who broke the law and are imprisoned for breaking the law and I am sure the law of their "good book". So they decide they can break some of the laws in their "good book" but do not want to eat pork. Is that about right?
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I did not read the whole thread. But let me get this straight. We have a bunch of people who broke the law and are imprisoned for breaking the law and I am sure the law of their "good book". So they decide they can break some of the laws in their "good book" but do not want to eat pork. Is that about right?


I took it as being about the politico who decided that nobody gets to eat pork if it might offend these certain guys who don't want pork.

And again, please address all questions on Muslim tradition for prisoners to Muhammad Ali.
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Woland and Pakar are correct.
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On 2011-10-08 10:01, acesover wrote:

I did not read the whole thread. But let me get this straight. We have a bunch of people who broke the law and are imprisoned for breaking the law and I am sure the law of their "good book". So they decide they can break some of the laws in their "good book" but do not want to eat pork. Is that about right?

You make good points but, as the article notes: "Ironically, the inmates' lawsuit doesn't involve pork at all; it demands that non-pork meats like beef come from animals slaughtered according to Islamic law. But the prisons system responded by simply removing pork as an option altogether."

Also, cost cutting (not religion) is apparently what originally removed pork from the menu in the first place:

"Ohio first took pork off the menu in 2009 after, in a money-saving attempt, it closed the pig farm and processing facility it operated to provide meat for inmates."
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Of course they are winning. How on earth can we defeat someone we are afraid of offending?
Imagine if we were bound by political correctness in ww2?
We would have been labelled Germaniphobes and been forced to seek counselling for not sympathizing with their quest for world domination.
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Of course they are winning. How on earth can we defeat someone we are afraid of offending?
Imagine if we were bound by political correctness in ww2?
We would have been labelled Germaniphobes and been forced to seek counselling for not sympathizing with their quest for world domination.


"They" are Americans.
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On the topic of religious demagogues who want to forge the world in their own image, I see that Mitt Romney claims that God made America for the purpose of leading the world.

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If you think its right to ban pork from USA prisons for the reasons they have given, then do you think its right to ban all pork from all of the USA for the same reason?
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On 2011-10-08 11:32, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
On the topic of religious demagogues who want to forge the world in their own image, I see that Mitt Romney claims that God made America for the purpose of leading the world.

John


And Bachman wants to ban gay marriage and porn, via an amendment to the constitution.
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If you think its right to ban pork from USA prisons for the reasons they have given, then do you think its right to ban all pork from all of the USA for the same reason?


As far as I can tell no one in this thread has supported the pork ban. Depending on who you ask, either the ban was capitulation to terrorism or it was a stupid bureaucratic move that showed no appreciation of the content of the problem being addressed.

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On 2011-10-08 11:32, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
On the topic of religious demagogues who want to forge the world in their own image, I see that Mitt Romney claims that God made America for the purpose of leading the world.

John


And Bachman wants to ban gay marriage and porn, via an amendment to the constitution.


At least it's better than wanting to ban them without a constitutional amendment.
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Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2011-10-08 11:32, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:

On the topic of religious demagogues who want to forge the world in their own image, I see that Mitt Romney claims that God made America for the purpose of leading the world.

A lot of "red meat" in his speech that will play well to his domestic audience, I am sure.

His best and most quotable line, I think, was "The blessings of faith carry the responsibility of civil and respectful debate."
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Does "faith" have to mean that you don't expect anyone else to bother you after doing "his will" ... even if the sanitation department and the families of the departed don't know how to sort through the mess? That one can make demands upon the property and rights of others, matters that go beyond a respectful freedom on how one chooses to frame their internal representations of things in the world?

I believe folks are sufficiently intelligent to celebrate existence without needing to believe they have some monopoly on valid perspectives.

So go enjoy that double bacon cheeseburger. I just don't see how it benefits a prisoner convicted of theft to seek out justice under a system of law where they would lose their hand. Or if a violent crime against the the state - their lives by beheading.
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1) It's disingenuous to equate Mitt Romney's expression of his personal religious beliefs with the quasi-religious ideology of the jihad. The LDS Church may believe a lot of things about the United States that many non-members find odd, but they do not go around blowing up churches of the Reformed LDS Church, other churches, non-Mormon religious shrines and monuments, and thousands of innocent civilians in order to impose Mormonism on the world.

2) It does seem odd that some thieves and murderers would apparently prefer Shariah law to America's lenient legal system, but then of course, we may be forgetting that everyone in prison is innocent - just ask them.
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I was at a book launch yesterday. A friend of mine created some school-level materials about the Ukrainian internment in Canada during the first world war. Innocent people were placed in forced labour camps because they originated in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which was now an official enemy. The story is a horror. These people were stripped of their rights not for anything that they did, but for their ethnicity and place of birth. I don't know if a similar atrocity occurred in the US.

30 years later Japanese-Canadians and -Americans were stripped of their property and forced into internment camps. Again they had done nothing wrong. They lost their citizenship rights because of their race.

Across the Atlantic, 6 million Jews were killed for no crimes of their own, but because of their ethnicity. Many sought refuge in other countries; many were turned away.

What does this have to do with this conversation? The US is at war because of Islamic fundamentalists who have committed atrocities. As in the first two examples above, war was waged against the perpetrators; and back home the innocent are vilified. Are we no better than our xenophobic predecessors? Are Muslims living in American automatically guilty of anything? Are they less citizens than their next-door neighbours?

When the Holocaust was happening, much of the silence was justified by beliefs in a worldwide Jewish conspiracy. It was a lie, started by evil people and spread by gullible fools.

Have we learned nothing in the past century?

John
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The US is at war because of Islamic fundamentalists who have committed atrocities......allegedly.

It was a lie, started by evil people and spread by gullible fools.
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