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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2011-10-17 05:33, Woland wrote: My first thought is, I suspect you are very mistaken about the numbers involved. (BTW which rally are you thinking of? I thought the largest rally was the March on Washington back in 2009). My second thought is, if you are correct ... all that effort and yet the Tea Party favored presidential candidates are all turning into also-rans or even never-rans. All that work, and they still get Romney.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Interesting spin. But then again it is more convienent for you to forget the impact they had in 2010. Blahh forget that for it does not fit the template.
Are they still a force? Why knows? But where was Obama a year out in the 2008 election? Blahh never mind it doesn't fit your template.
Danny Doyle
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2011-10-17 12:32, Dannydoyle wrote: Danny, first of all, I see that you are working on a new catchphrase. I commend you for that. However, I'm not ignoring or forgetting anything. Second, where WAS Obama a year out in the 2008 election? Good question: "Four years ago, [Obama] raised $80 million through Sept. 30, 2007, when he started raising money three months earlier." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg......b3lNlqyY Compare that to: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/worl......2203275/ "Mitt Romney has raised about $32-million since April, while Rick Perry, who only joined the race in August, has drummed up $17-million in donations." http://content.usatoday.com/communities/......aising/1 "Herman Cain ... raised $2.8 million for his presidential campaign during the third quarter of this year, far lagging the top fundraisers in the Republican field." Feel free to ignore or dismiss the above if it "doesn't fit your template". Lol.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2011-10-17 13:13, balducci wrote: Yea lots of money but who was the front runner again? There is SO much time that I will absolutely bet that the "front runner" will change a few times between now and then. But hey make it about whatever helps you type about stuff that when it is convienent you claim has nothing to do with you anyhow.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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RobertSmith Veteran user 330 Posts |
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On 2011-10-16 21:18, tommy wrote: I would imagine most of the conservatives here are in favor of capitalism. If America were a capitalist system, we might be in much better shape. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2011-10-17 05:33, Woland wrote: You're comparing rallies to camps. Different things. It requires much more commitment to sleep out. If you want to compare like quantities, the rallies held by those in NYC alone outnumber any Tea Party rallies that I'm aware of.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
The Occupy Spokane crowd got the required permits. They say they have no intention of going anywhere anytime soon. It's been really cold here and they aren't allowed to set up tents. I have to say that this Spokane crowd must be pretty dedicated to whatever they hell they are doing.
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2011-10-17 23:05, landmark wrote: The Daily Show Stewart\Colbert Rally to Restore Sanity and or Fear easily doubled the number of people ever assembled at a Teabagger Rally as well. It weighed the same. But it had over twice the number of people attending Most of the members of the Tea Party haven't got the stamina, let alone the dedication to spend all night in a park protesting social inequity. Besides they'd miss Hee Haw or reruns of Lawrence Welk.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
They probably just put a higher value on indoor plumbing.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
As the great songwriter Yip Harburg wrote:
No matter how high or great the throne, What sits on it is the same as your own.
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RobertSmith Veteran user 330 Posts |
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On 2011-10-18 01:04, Payne wrote: I still don't hear any solutions from you, Payne. Never do. I hear lots of, "tea bagger this," "GOP that" but I never hear you give a solution. What does social equity look like to you? Note, I don't want to hear you say tax the rich or any other method of achieving it. I just want to know what social equity LOOKS like to you? |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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What does social equity look like to you? So, only answer if it fits your pre-conceived guidelines.
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RobertSmith Veteran user 330 Posts |
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On 2011-10-18 07:35, landmark wrote: Not at all. I'm specifically asking what it looks like. Not how he thinks it should be achieved. But since you seem to want to take a stabat it - what does social equity look like to you? |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yea lots of name calling and sarcasam not many solutions. Many of those proposed solutions have been working for about 3 years now and don't seem to help. The solution? MORE of those policies? I don't think so.
Why is the solution to take from those who have earned and give to those who have not to make things equal? Why isn't it to help those who have not as much earn more?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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RobertSmith Veteran user 330 Posts |
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On 2011-10-18 09:36, Dannydoyle wrote: Partially because there's an element of the have nots who can not. Why get out and work and be motivated to develop a real goal when you can just make a cardboard sign and demand someone else pay for your tuition? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla......GoPFRUdc Now, if Occupy were simply about getting corporate money out of politics - I'm all for that. The Citizens United ruling was absolutely one of the worst in the history of the Supreme Court. To give multi-national corporations individual status and allow them to give unlimited money to influence our elections is total bullsh$t. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Well if Unions can deliver that sort of money then why not?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Without corporations, without financial institutions, without the legal conventions that make them possible, there would have been no Apple Computer, no Microsoft, no Genentech . . . . etc. It was the invention of finance in England, the Netherlands, and in Germany in the 17th century that has made all of the other invetions possible . . . .
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2011-10-18 13:30, Woland wrote: Not strictly true. Many important inventions came long before corporations existed. But even if it was true, what does that have to do with RobertSmith's point about multinational corporations influencing or even buying elections? Let's not forget, by the way, that corporations and financial institutions made quite a number of super-sized bubbles in the financial markets possible over the last couple of centuries, and they made scandals like Enron and WorldCom etc. possible.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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Now, if Occupy were simply about getting corporate money out of politics - I'm all for that. The Citizens United ruling was absolutely one of the worst in the history of the Supreme Court. RS, I see that there are aspects of corporatism that really do bother you, so I will try to answer you the best I know how, without sarcasm or cant. The point you and many others make is increasingly evident; the biggest problem as I and others see it is that the system no longer provides any corrective mechanism. The corruption by monied interests is rife through the courts, the executive and the legislative branches. People are desperate. When things get to such a point, people are willing to risk arrest and sometimes even lives to change the situation. What that change will look like cannot be predicted--we are living, as the Chinese say, in interesting times. Clearly you understand some of what the OWS people are out there for. The 1% don't leave you unaffected. Certainly the monied interests understand--despite their claims that they have no idea what it's all about--they understand it's about them. As in any movement where people are beginning to wake up and understand how they've been exploited and held down, there are various degrees of awareness and sophistication. This is to be expected. Because so many people have been ripped off, there is a wide diversity in the kinds of people involved in OWS and the future that is envisioned. Some of those people don't look like me or you nor do I agree with everything they say. But they have their experiences and ideas to contribute and that is part of learning to live in a democracy. For myself, I envision a more democratic country. A country where people's voices are heard more than just once every four years in a vote for one of the two candidates of the Money Party. I long for a country where one person's voice is as legitimate as another's, even if that other person has more money. To me, that is one of the most interesting and exciting parts about OWS: people are learning about consensus and making decisions on issues that affect them locally and nationally, and learning to act on them. I understand, as I mentioned in a reply to Jon Townsend, that there are many potential pitfalls ahead; but the risk of doing nothing at this point in our country's history may be an even bigger mistake.
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RobertSmith Veteran user 330 Posts |
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On 2011-10-18 17:16, balducci wrote: It's got nothing to do with it. Keep in mind, I'm not against corporations sitting on all the money they earned. I am absolutely against them getting bailed out by the taxpayers. Bt that's not the corporations fault. It's the Bush/Obama administrations ane their respective Congress' fault. The corporations just played on the field they were given. Likewise, as I said before, corporate and union money has no place in our elections. |
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