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billmarq Special user State near Arizona 570 Posts |
Like many others here, I dislike watching a trailer for a new effect only to find that the video has cuts at all the "important" moments. Why do so many creators of these effects do this? Sometimes it borders on fraud, I am afraid. I won't give any examples of that as I do not wish to offend anyone. Links to this type of trailer frequently appear in posts here in the Café.
Please, if you are going to advertise your new effect in a venue habited by fellow magicians, show us a demonstration from start to finish without the cuts. What exactly are you hiding? Otherwise you are not being totally honest, in my opinion. I do not believe you will lose sales just because we can figure out you made a move. I am not trying to stir up anything. I am expressing a frustration.
Honi soit quit mal y pense.
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On 2011-10-15 02:55, billmarq wrote: Usually... the method! I completely agree with you. Anytime I see a video that is edited I always assume it's because they are covering up a weak spot in the effect or the method itself. I understand that some affects or easy to solve if you see a full video of them. I'm sure they are trying to prevent people from simply figuring out the effect and doing it themselves, but it doesn't really seem fair. When I was growing up, you would go into a magic shop and see an effect performed once and then make a decision based on that performance on if you would want to buy it. It was a fair assessment. Even if the demonstration was not perfect at least you got a real world idea on what the effect was like. Of course in this day and age it is very convenient that we can see a video of an effect, but of course the weak link is that the video can be played over and over again to try and catch the method. That was never an option when you saw the effect live. I do sympathize with the creators of new effects and trying to keep their method secret. After all when you show somebody a magic trick live, they can't push a button then stop and rewind the effect as many times as they want. When personal video recorders came out in the 70s the world of magic was forever changed. Before then you had to rely upon your memory of an effect which was the way magic was meant to be viewed. Yes, I would rather see a real version of the effect on edited and even if I figure it out, I'll still purchase it for the rights to do it. I do realize that I might not be in the majority as I know many people that steal routines off YouTube and the Internet. There is no easy answer for this dilemma but I do trust creators more who have the confidence to show the effect in its entirety.
Ray Pierce
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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noble1 Special user 651 Posts |
I think part of the problem is that many magic buyers only want tricks that fool themselves or other magicians instead of routines that would go over well with laymen. So a lot of dealers hide the method with editing to increase sales to the majority of magicians who do tricks for each other at the local magic club instead of shows for real people. When the method isn't hidden with editing the producer is usually confident that it's a strong effect and/or they know that you can't make the prop yourself. I also think sometimes the tricky editing is used not only to hide the method but sometimes also to hide the fact that a trick does not have a well-thought out presentation.
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billmarq Special user State near Arizona 570 Posts |
Tha German magician, Axel Hecklau, posts complete unedited videos of his effects, such as Spoonaround, and Cap in Bottle. His products are very expensive, and I am pretty sure I know how they work, but I am considering a purchase anyway since it would be very difficult for me to reproduce the gimmicks and I don't feel like he is being deceitful.
I don't know. What I do now is wait for the inevitable reviews to appear. The recently issued topit-like card vanisher/producer has a trailer that shows the beginning and end of a few presentations, but no middle. Reading the reviews, I have learned that the effect requires a particular type of apparel to work. Would it be a crime to let us know that up front? That certainly won't stop me from buying it, but it is nice to know. The only bad review I saw for that trick was by a guy who refuses to wear an appropriate shirt. And what about the trailer for a coin effect that advertised a "complete system" but did not include the extra prop demonstrated as a climax production? The implication was that it was included. Most stores altered their ads later, but what about the unsuspecting early purchasers?
Honi soit quit mal y pense.
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