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Not anti Military at all...

Just seemed like such a clash of philosophies.

Or are we all just resigned to the fact we will always be at war with each other?

That the need for human beings to be able to kill each other more efficiently and in a more disciplined manner will always be there? (Basically one of the job specifications and goals of the military imho...)

What do you think about this?



Again, I am not anti Military.
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From the ancient Roman saying, Si vis pacem, para bellum - if you want peace, be prepared for war. Or the 29th Psalm: "The LORD will give strength unto his people; the LORD will bless his people with peace." First comes strength, then comes peace. I am sure there are equivalent adages in the East. No clash of philosophies, just a description of the world as it is.
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Where is the Roman empire now?

Was it not also full of older men taking advantage of young boys?
Not really a great model.
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On 2011-10-17 05:39, Markymark wrote:
Where is the Roman empire now?


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Again, I think it is the fact that we will always be a warring species.

As such we will always need put those who insure our safety in high regards.

Which means it is still survival of the fittest, at least the fittest militarily.

Peace by way of war? Smile

I wish there was some other way.

I really do.
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As George Orwell said, "War Is Peace".
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Rome was no more immoral than our own society. The point is not to emulate Rome, but to recognize that the discovery that peace comes from deterrence is as old as the hills. If you want peace, if you want people to refrain from attacking you, you have to make it clear to them that waging war against you will have consequences for them that they will likely find undesirable. And don't trouble yourself too much about the apparent paradox, didn't St Francis pray that it is in giving that we receive?
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I always worry about stuff other people tell me not to worry about... Smile
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Hard not to, after all.
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The reason achievements are celebrated is because of the amount of sacrafice those who heard our countries call made. We want them to know it was not for nothing. It is a way to say thank you. Thank you doesn't begin to cover it, but it is all we have.

So we celebrate the men who made our society possible, our way of life, and our thanks is shown. We celebrate the men who made it POSSIBLE TO LIVE IN PEACE through the sacrafice. All gave some, some gave all. It is not that strange when you understand the idea of being in the service of something greater than just yourself. (I am not saying you think that way, just explaining.)

It is not about war, it is not about peace. If a man was to stop my wife from being mugged I would certainly want to show my gratitude. Would I want to celebrate the violence? No, but certainly to say thank you.
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The reason achievements are celebrated is because of the amount of sacrafice those who heard our countries call made. We want them to know it was not for nothing. It is a way to say thank you. Thank you doesn't begin to cover it, but it is all we have.

So we celebrate the men who made our society possible, our way of life, and our thanks is shown. We celebrate the men who made it POSSIBLE TO LIVE IN PEACE through the sacrafice. All gave some, some gave all. It is not that strange when you understand the idea of being in the service of something greater than just yourself. (I am not saying you think that way, just explaining.)

It is not about war, it is not about peace. If a man was to stop my wife from being mugged I would certainly want to show my gratitude. Would I want to celebrate the violence? No, but certainly to say thank you.


Thanks for that explanation. Smile
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On 2011-10-17 05:39, Markymark wrote:
Where is the Roman empire now?

Was it not also full of older men taking advantage of young boys?
Not really a great model.


lol
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On 2011-10-17 08:42, Dannydoyle wrote:
The reason achievements are celebrated is because of the amount of sacrafice those who heard our countries call made. We want them to know it was not for nothing. It is a way to say thank you. Thank you doesn't begin to cover it, but it is all we have.

So we celebrate the men who made our society possible, our way of life, and our thanks is shown. We celebrate the men who made it POSSIBLE TO LIVE IN PEACE through the sacrafice. All gave some, some gave all. It is not that strange when you understand the idea of being in the service of something greater than just yourself. (I am not saying you think that way, just explaining.)

It is not about war, it is not about peace. If a man was to stop my wife from being mugged I would certainly want to show my gratitude. Would I want to celebrate the violence? No, but certainly to say thank you.


Thanks for that explanation. Smile


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Same reason many women wind up under the thumb of 'bad boys': like 'bad boys,' war is exciting.
Like nice guys, peace is borrrringggg!!!

People...feh! Smile
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On 2011-10-17 05:08, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
Not anti Military at all...

Just seemed like such a clash of philosophies.

Or are we all just resigned to the fact we will always be at war with each other?

That the need for human beings to be able to kill each other more efficiently and in a more disciplined manner will always be there? (Basically one of the job specifications and goals of the military imho...)

What do you think about this?



Again, I am not anti Military.


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It is BECAUSE we love peace that we celebrate their achievements. Without those achievements, we wouldnt have peace.
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Wait a second. There would be no peace if no soldiers existed?

Is it not possible for the human race to grow up?

Well, probably not. But we can dream, can't we?
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On 2011-10-18 10:44, stoneunhinged wrote:
Wait a second. There would be no peace if no soldiers existed?

Is it not possible for the human race to grow up?

Well, probably not. But we can dream, can't we?


We will never live in an idealistic world or universe, though idealism and dreams do have a place. That being said the acme of skill is to win without fighting. Sometimes in order to achieve the acme of skill you have to prepare for a fight which enhances deterrence. It is also better to outsmart enemies or opponents than it is to outfight them. Wars are not won on the battlefield, they are won in the minds of people. The ultimate mission of a soldier is the mission of peace.
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On 2011-10-18 10:44, stoneunhinged wrote:
Wait a second. There would be no peace if no soldiers existed?

Is it not possible for the human race to grow up?

Well, probably not. But we can dream, can't we?


Yes we can. Smile
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