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Yehoshua Regular user Turnersville, NJ 159 Posts |
Okay. Well, if selling this is his intention, then I do understand your point. I was simply under the impression he was doing this as a service to others here on the Café, those less experienced in the field. I've seen some of his older blogs, and they were free, therefore I assumed this was the same. If I am wrong, then please forgive me. If not, I stand by my statements. *shrugs*
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Why don't you put in more time than 41 posts before you try to tell us how to act? How about that for a starting position? How can you come in here after 40 posts and tell us what to do and how to act?
We have seen this stuff before. Wait and see then jump in and tell us what to do. Or better yet why don't YOU just do what you like and we will do what we like? Or you can have our passwords and post for us.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Yehoshua Regular user Turnersville, NJ 159 Posts |
Oh Danny, such a cheery poster you always are. Just because I have only 41..wait, now 42 posts, doesn't mean I don't know anything. I've been performing for quite some time. The number of posts are in no way an accurate representation of my knowledge or experience. Or anyone's for that matter. You have over 11000 posts! That's quite a bit! But, I wonder how many of them, like the one above, were just picking apart other people's posts? Now, I'm being sarcastic here, but seriously Wouldn't you rather someone comes on here and makes 41 or 42 intelligible and polite posts rather than encouraging them to just spam the S*** outta the boards just to rack up thousands of posts in order to gain "validity"?
Anywho, my above post was only to show where I was coming from. I didn't attack anyone, was just stating a point of view. Take it or leave it, but don't just ...what did you say again, "Wait and see and then jump in and tell us what to do." ? Yeah, I think that was how you phrased it... Anyways, good day gentlemen! Off to enjoy the rain and hail in late October! Strange weather for these parts but hey, keeps it interesting... |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Wow you really do have problems with comprehension don't you? Yes it is true that reading is fundimental but comprehension is an advanced skill.
It is worth noting at this point that "a closed mouth attracts no feet". So let me slow down and explain what I was saying. I NEVER said or implied that a number of posts means anything about how much you know. What I did try to say (and I believe the vast majority knew what I was saying.) is that after 40 posts you have no real idea who we are and have had quite little interaction with us so you may not know what history is happening or happened. So your perspective might be quite different. Take some time to get to know people and then jump in and tell us what we should or should not do. I think that after 40 or so posts it is quite presumptupous of you to tell us to answer his questions only. I think it is none of your business how we post at all especially after so few posts. As for your little bit of sarcasam and such, I am letting that pass simply because you didn't fully understand what it was I was saying. But as for what you do or do not know, how are we to give you credit for anything? No web page, no posts just come on and tell us all what to do! Yep that is certainly a credible method. Maybe if we knew who you were or yout body of work we could judge you a bit more fairly don't you think? Or should we just take your word for it that you know so much? The one thing that thousands of posts does is allows us to get to know each other. So how many of your posts are like the one above where you are either telling someone they are wrong or being a sarcastic nit? so far 2 out of 42. That is a fairly significant percentage.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
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On 2011-10-29 02:07, Yehoshua wrote: No, I don't think that's his intention. I think his intention is to get info from us and post a video on his blog (and direct us to his blog from here). Could be wrong tho.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I think he tends to post information that is not his own.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Yehoshua Regular user Turnersville, NJ 159 Posts |
Technically speaking, through the process of gathering questions from us, then going out and asking these of GMs, the only info he would be posting would have been voluntarily submitted to him, and therefore it's all legit as far as I can tell, so what's the problem?
Posted: Oct 29, 2011 11:52pm And before ya jump on me, danny ,I understand what you meant about how he "tends" to do that. However, in this instance, I don't see that as the case. See, despite my low number of posts, I have followed you and the others here on the Café for some time, so I am not posting without prior knowledge of who he is. Just sayin'. Anywho, Benji, if you are still following this thread, I think it'd be cool if ya asked the GMs about maybe their perceptions of magicians as entertainers. What are the first thoughts that come to mind when they hear the words "Magic" and "Magician"? Might help some of us to better tailor our characters towards the gigs we hope to land if we create them with those pros and cons in mind. Mind you, this would only be the opinion of a few GMs, and not all of em, but hey...they are GMs nonetheless, and their opinion has to count for somethin'. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Wow still trouble with comprehension. I don't have any other language to speak in so I will try once again.
I don't care how long you have been lurking, WE DON'T KNOW YOU. So my point was, and is and always will be that it should be more than 40 or so posts prior to you trying to tell us what we shold and should not post. Or before you tell us we are attacking anyone. Lurking gives you knowledge of us not the other way round. I hope you understand finally. Though I have my doubts.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Safirio New user 13 Posts |
Danny, your post is a bit trolly compared to Yehoshua's. The first step in an effective communication is being non-aggressive.
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I don't have any other language to speak in so I will try once again. Was it necessary ? Also, I still don't get why being known from a community makes your point more valid (that would be a cognitive bias, by all means). If a perfect stranger, with only one post, makes a valid point, does this point become invalid because of his post count ? Quote:
Yehoshua wrote : For this post, I don't know where his post count is relevant, for example. |
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Sam Sandler Inner circle 2487 Posts |
Safiro- the problem here (if I may) is 2 fold
1 Benji in the past has asked odd questions seeking info from us (the Café members) info that should be commom place for him with his "13" years of experience. so I think the problem is that he ask us to do his work. yes there are others much more lazy or blatant then him but again the big thing is that Benji seems to come off with an air of a know it all or let me teach you some thing and many times the info is strange at best or completely the opsite of what any pro would do. 2 - Yehoshua does make a valid point BUT the problem is that he should not be asking up to do his work. let me take that back some and say he should not be always asking us to do his work when he seems to alread know everything at least that is how he comes off. I have not does Danny I believe have a problem with some one that contributes to threads coming here and asking for some advice on a specific trick, an idea they are working on, a new website etc etc I think its that He puts out so many things that many us get frustraded with his tatics or presentations of how he goes about things. oh and although I don't know Danny Doyle personally I do know that he has a plethora of experience in both performing and booking other top magicians his 11,000 post may contain some sarcatic comments however the vast majority contain golden nuggets of info that have and will serve many of those here on the Café. I am not defending danny at all but I do feel that this is exactly the moment to point out that you say you know us all then you should know that danny as well as others speak and shoot from the hip. bottom line every one here wants to see Benji succeed with out question, its how he is going about relating to the Café members that is causing him to be an outcast or a speed bump along the journey of browsing the Café. Benji if you are reading this and following everything here I would ask you to take a real good look at how you are approaching your relationship with the Café, I don't have as big of an issue with you as others do but I understand their frustrations. finally as I mentioned before I have 14 years in the restaurant biz as an employee as well as manager and now have been performing full time magic for about 15 years I understand both sides of the game very very well. I still have friends that either are the GM or the Owner of the places and talk with them often. I have submitted many questions and ideas for benji and hope he read them as he never commented or thanked me for them. (that was not a shot at him just pointing out that he never participated in this thread since the begining.) almost makes you wonder some times if he is not trying to start another thread of us all talking about him with end in sight:)
sam sandler- America's only full-time DEAF Illusionist
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2011-10-30 17:16, Safirio wrote: Fantastic another complete stranger to come into the forum and tell us how to act. This is fantastic. Now you need help with comprehension. I NEVER DISPUTED A SINGLE POINT Yehoshua MADE! Why are you having so much trouble figuring this little part out? I am saying that his LOW POST COUNT MEANS WE DON'T KNOW WHO HE IS! Then when a STRANGER (much like yourself) comes in and tries to tell us how to act (much like yourself) it is not going to be very well received! So stop the self important crap if it isn't too much trouble. I don't particularly give a rats hind parts if you think I am being sarcastic or not. I am not looking for lessons in communication from you or any newbie who is presumptious enough to start telling us how to act after 40 posts. (Much less 11.) So you say that if a point is valid what does it matter if the person has only one post? Well then logically you would have to agree that if a point is valid, it should not matter if it is sarcastic now should it? oops. So if it not too much trouble I would appreciate if you saved your preaching for some other person. Perhaps one who actually thinks what you say is of value would be better? Or send me a PM so I can ignore you properly and you don't have to booooore the whole forum to tears. As I said before it is worth noting that a closed mouth attracts no feet. Now it is time for you to make fun of my spelling and syntax and sentence structure. Posted: Oct 30, 2011 8:33pm Also let me add that Sam pretty well nails the whole situation. Thank you. Just to clarify for you two new people, I have not just fallen off a turnip truck to get my job.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts |
If there's ONE GUY on here who's advice I would trust and take to the bank, it's Danny Doyle. He has lived it, he has walked it, and he knows what the heck he's talking about! I know darn good and well that he has worked his tail off to get to where he is and it wasn't from asking other people to do his job for him.
In Mystery,
Christopher Lyle Magician, Comic, Daredevil, and Balloon Twisting Genius For a Good Time...CLICK HERE! |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Thank you for the kind words, and it should be noted, you have some serious experience yourself. Sam as well.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
To sum it up, those who have paid their dues can easily recognize someone else who has, too. As well, we can recognize those who muddy their waters to make them appear deep.
~michael baker
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Yehoshua Regular user Turnersville, NJ 159 Posts |
Alright, my apologies, but it just didn't strike me in -this- thread, in -this- instance that Benji was asking us to do work for him. I got the impression from his OP that he wanted our questions to submit BECAUSE he wanted the answers to be RELEVANT to us, being that they were OUR questions! That way, his video wouldn't be full of useless questions being asked of GMs with us sitting there going "Maaaaan, I wish he'd have asked this or that instead...." That's all I'm sayin'. That bein' said, I have read many of Danny's old posts on other threads, and found many of them to be helpful. That doesn't mean I can just overlook what I felt was not only rudeness to the OP, but just plain off topic flaming. I understand your issue with Benji, I really swear I do! I just don't think it should be brought up here in his thread. Give the guy his space, and if you don't like him, don't read his threads? Makes sense, I figure. By the way, the name's Josh, pleasure to meet ya all...again
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts |
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On 2011-10-30 23:28, Michael Baker wrote: Well said! Can we lock this stupid thread now?
In Mystery,
Christopher Lyle Magician, Comic, Daredevil, and Balloon Twisting Genius For a Good Time...CLICK HERE! |
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eatonmagic Special user Orlando, FL 737 Posts |
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On 2011-10-24 15:48, Sam Sandler wrote: Really? So are you implying that our job is STRICTLY entertainment and nothing more? Because my MAIN concern is helping the restaurant out with their bottom line. My promise to the restaurant and how I get into these places is by talking numbers and stats as well as promotions and working side by side with their marketing department to develop a bigger and better bottom line. I would like to think think that THIS is what more magicians who want to specialize in restaurant magic would want to do rather than just do card tricks. Has anyone ever stopped to think why is it that most managers/owners DO NOT care about magicians? Could it possibly be that most of these guys want to go in, do some magic, get paid, eat for free and leave? Here's something to think about: What IF, just what if there WERE such a company that existed....a corporate level group that was ran by a group of qualified, trained and certified magicians who specializes in providing these fine dining establishments with not ONLY stellar magic, but courteous, professional, business oriented magicians that 1) promote their performances through both PR efforts and social media 2) Have implemented a system to assure that X amount dollars is being spent during the nights the magic is performed and CAN TRACK IT!!! 3) Could offer each and every one of it's members high-quality promotional materials such as full-color business cards, personalized website, centralized training, accounting services (so that you're not sitting there waiting for you money at the end of every shift looking like a dumb_ss) and FULL SALES SUPPORT! So now, imagine not even having to sell the manager on the idea of magic....actually NOT EVEN MENTIONING MAGIC AT ALL...and yet still create an interest in using your services and best of all having your own sales team do all the work for you? Who would and has EVER done something like this? Anyone? Bueller....Bueller? |
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Safirio New user 13 Posts |
Let's stop the flame war, if you please.
All I'm saying, and that's really the only point I'm making, is that there's no need to be sarcatic or aggressive on the matter on this thread. And I don't think post count matter in this particular thread. And yes, Danny, being sarcastic does not make your point less valid, but you know as well as I do that most people doesn't react very well to sarcasm. That's why I asked "Was it necessary ?". Other than than, of course, I agree with you on being known from a community, that's a basic notion on any internet forum. Even though, I'm not trying to muddy any water, and I'm sorry if you thought otherwise. That was not the case. Let me be clear : I have a great deal of respect for each and everyone of you. There are not a lot of places where you can talk directly to the most respected artists in their field. Just let's try to calm down, I don't know how we ended up flaming the thread like this. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2011-10-30 23:29, Yehoshua wrote: By the way, the name's Josh, pleasure to meet ya all...again Now we get it.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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On 2011-10-31 10:06, Dannydoyle wrote: Ha-ha!!!
~michael baker
The Magic Company |
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