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MagicKingdom10 Veteran user 316 Posts 
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On Sep 6, 2003, Michaels wrote: Thank you Michaels for this fine tip, I believe that this line is a highly underrated gem and it is usually taken very well by the audience. It ensures a smooth show and helps break down that "Us vs Them" mentality, the breakdown is complete once you've established rapport
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helpful New user 34 Posts
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On Apr 15, 2014, PeterSteele111 wrote: Looks like the actions of a strike double, but with a fairly exposed get ready. |
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frankvomit Elite user 485 Posts
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Maintain control move on to the next trick then go back and work on it more.
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MorrisCH Veteran user 393 Posts
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On Mar 24, 2013, harbour wrote: This is right on the money! |
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts
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I wonder if there is any possible DL/DT that is so deceptive and so well executed that it cannot either be seen, or retrospectively considered because of the result, by someone who knows of the move's existence? I have my doubts. Hence why I am sparing in my use of the DL, why I try and vary the style of the DL/DT, and why I also cheat with SF.
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charlie_d Loyal user 247 Posts
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If you engage in this way, you're deliberately sabotaging your own routine.
Ignore it and carry on. In my experience, they were probably just blurting out whatever random explanation came into their head. Even if you are certain they caught you, they almost certainly didn't. But let's strip this down. They interrupted you, so they're already a bad person to engage with. They claimed the correct method, so either your DL was way, way off or they're not a layman. Finally, you're proposing to derail your routine in order to do what? Win? Win what? By making some idiot look stupid? He already did that, there's no need. You 'win' by performing an entertaining routine, not by engaging in a battle of wits about the methods you may or may not be using. If they had the correct method and you engage, how do you know they're not aware of the KM move? How do you know they haven't read this thread? Seriously, just carry on. Ignore it. Be funny, make people feel good - even the person who interrupted you. Even if the person who interrupted you is a Darwin Ortiz-level internationally renowned card man with a personal grudge against you, you are still the performer and they are still a heckler. They are the one being as ass. The audience is with you. If they're seriously obnoxious, then depending on the circumstances you need to either move on, or deal with them as a heckler. Most likely they're just embarrasing themselves and everyone they're with. But don't engage with them in terms of methods. If you notice this happening a lot, you might need more mirror time, or possibly more time researching the best DL for you. But if it happens in performance, just ignore it. Finally, if you've been having a bad time with hecklers, maybe seeng some hecklers getting badly burned can help you laugh about it? (WARNING EXPLICIT LANGUAGE, ADULT COMEDY): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzLlLM7Rgm8 |
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Doomo Inner circle 2364 Posts
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Or if they Do see yer double... AND they have the TEMERITY to say so... Then DESTROY THEM! Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women!
Just my own personal theory... Tony
If you ever get to a point where words have no meaning, you're probably talking to a dog.
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MagicKingdom10 Veteran user 316 Posts
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On Nov 7, 2014, Doomo wrote: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I like this theory 
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ymumagic Regular user 131 Posts
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On Nov 7, 2014, Terrible Wizard wrote: I can't say that I am familiar with all the many different ways to perform the DL, but I would tend to agree with you. However, its not the move but rather the context that renders the DL invisible. The DL is not meant to be a move or a trick, but rather just a means to the end of turning over a card, and if so no one should be paying any attention to the turnover. I've found in my experience that the better at card magic I got the sloppier my DL became. I'm not saying that's a good thing (and I did fix it up), however it was no longer necessary to do such a perfect job since no one was looking anyway.
Point is, as long as the DL is just happenstance, meaning you had to turn over a card and it just happened to be a DL, then you can even turn them over completely misaligned and no one will notice (personal experience talking ).
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fonda57 Inner circle chicago 3080 Posts
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Somebody said stop performing and practice more. I would say perform more , best way to get to feeling natural. Everybody gets caught now and then at something. The more you perform the better you get.
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fonda57 Inner circle chicago 3080 Posts
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Somebody said stop performing and practice more. I would say perform more , best way to get to feeling natural. Everybody gets caught now and then at something. The more you perform the better you get.
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lord_wallmotto Loyal user 291 Posts
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If possible, when creating effects or routines I will try to structure the routine so that each part of the routine cancels out the method that came before it IF it for some reason (prior knowledge of the sleight from the spectator whic is unlikely, or just sloppy execution on my part) would lead to that a spectator discovered the method.
If not possible I try to have a back-up plan in the back of my mind so that I can take the routine in another direction if the method were to be detected. |
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Phoenicis New user 77 Posts
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Great advice fonda57. I've found that practicing in front of a mirror helps my DL technique but real performance under heat boosts confidence and teaches what works (and what doesn't in my case!) in terms of audience engagement and misdirection. My preference is the Blaine (Dingle) DL with a full deck, or a pinky-break set-up if I'm using a small packet.
I try not to be adversarial if someone calls out that there are two cards. I'd rather there were no "losers" in the performance - even if it's a heckler that I'd rather wasn't there (I know there are some great put-down one-liners that can put a heckler in his or her place and get great laughs, but it's just not my personality). I prefer something along the lines of "you know, I think you're right" followed by a KM move, placing the card in their hands and then saying "can you keep one and give me the other one back?". Of course there's only one card by this point and this gets a laugh. |
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obrienmagic Special user 753 Posts
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Honestly I have seen top pros get caught doing a double. the honest truth is, if you have seen one or know what it is, you are going to catch it almost everytime. So in other words if you are getting caught, it may be because the person you are performing for knows a bit about magic. The best way to keep them from saying anything may be in your presentation from the get go.
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Dorian Rhodell Inner circle San Francisco, CA. 1633 Posts
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On Jan 3, 2015, obrienmagic wrote: Pro or not a pro is irrelevant here. The ONLY way anyone (magicians included) is going to spot or even sense a double is if the double being performed is c**p or there's a tip off (tell) in the handling. |
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Steve Suss Inner circle 1193 Posts
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The double lift is one of the most deceptive moves in card magic. I've been doing it for over 50 years and I can't remember getting caught. I don't say this to brag but so you know that if you are getting caught repeatedly you are doing something wrong. If you think it can't be done while the spectators are burning your hands then watch a competent card man perform an ambitious card routine where doubles and even triples are the core of the routine.
The key is a natural handling developed by continuous practice. It will take plenty of practice to develop the touch required that will give you full confidence with this sleight. The two types of doubles I use most often are Daly's from the Stars of Magic and Vernon's push double from one of his Inner Secret books depending if I have time for a get ready. I highly recommend learning to do this sleight well as it is one of the most valuable sleights in card magic. It's a sleight that will take plenty of practice but is definitely attainable by the average card enthusiast. |
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frankvomit Elite user 485 Posts
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On Jan 2, 2015, lord_wallmotto wrote: Yes, as a matter of fact there is a magic lecture done by Teller (Penn & Teller) that can be found on you Tube where he uses Meisers Dream as an example and shows how his method changes every time he produces a coin or a bunch of coins. Highly recommend it. a very rare look inside Tellers mind and and his reasonings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5x14AwElOk Enjoy! |
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Crownhart New user 51 Posts
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Timing hasn't been mentioned much here, but timing and patter can take heat off a DL.
Love the sharing going on many minds can really help. I got a box just to start thinking outside of it.
SinCIRCUSly,
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obrienmagic Special user 753 Posts
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On Jan 3, 2015, Dorian Rhodell wrote: If you know what a double looks like you are going to spot it. It is like saying a magician performs a double undercut. No matter how clean it is, If I know what a double undercut looks like I am going to see it.
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AaronSterling Veteran user 319 Posts
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On Jan 4, 2015, obrienmagic wrote: Agreed. It's become a cliche, like the Elmsley Count. Just as sleeving was 80 years ago. And, much as performers roll up their sleeves to pre-empt the false solution that something went up the sleeve, it's worth thinking seriously about structuring routines so it is super obvious that you aren't using a double lift or an Elmsley. I'm not moved by the argument that "I've never been called out." Maybe you're performing for people who are polite. Using the method of no false solutions means the performer has to sidestep all explanations, true and false. That's a much higher bar than avoiding hecklers. Also, I think it's worth studying unstereotyped double lifts, like Krenzel's tabled double lift, or Armstrong's variation of the gin pick. Then you still have access to the move in a way a YouTuber won't recognize. |
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