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No, fair enough.
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I'm also pretty sure The Loved One is pretty far from mainstream Smile
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Oh yeah, on novels I also really like Fight Club and Choke, both by Chuck Pahla... *** it. Both by the same guy.
Fight Club I think was adapted well, the movie version of Choke was awful.
With books I'm more of a non-fiction kind of guy.
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If I had to pick the book that had the most impact on my life, that would be easy: Henry Miller: The Rosy Crucifiction.
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Interesting addendum to this thread...I had a tutoring appointment today with a guy who was a philosophy major. The appointment was at his place, and I was perusing his bookcase, waiting for him to get some things. Numerous philosophy titles...Hegel, Heidegger, Nietzsche, Kant, etc. I'm sure there were other novels there, but the first one I saw among them was...Heart of Darkness.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Your student has better taste in literature, it seems, Lobowolf, than in philosophy . . . LOL. On the subject of the greatest single book ever written, landmark, I am inclined to agree with you. You've re-inspired me to learn Spanish by reading it line by line with one of the recent translations . . .

The year I spent reading A la recherche du temps perdu to the exclusion of any other literature was not wasted, either. L'education sentimentale is also a very wise, very well crafted novel, not entirely irrelevant even today . . . the generation of 1848 and the generation of 1968 may have something in common.

The Tin Drum, Cat and Mouse, and Local Anesthetic are also quite good, especially the first. I guess I am fond of "magical realism."

Most experimental, avant garde writing will not, I fear, pass the test of time. No one has mentioned Finnegan's Wake, which I find unreadable, sad to say. The Portrait and Ulysses please me, however.

For American literature, I think Moby Dick is quite deep, and quite good.
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Any John Barth fans out there? It's been years since I've read anything by him, but I was highly impressed with The Floating Opera and Giles Goat Boy when I was younger.

From Joyce, I found I couldn't get through Finnegan's Wake either, and much preferred the relative minimalism of Dubliners.

As a one-off, I greatly enjoyed Peter Quinn's wonderful Banished Children of Eve, a story that covers much of the same territory as Scorsese's movie Gangs of New York, but does it much better. It gives a wonderful view of the minstrel and variety show era, and the underlying racial and ethnic conflicts, in 19th century New York City. Highly recommended.
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That last story in Dubliners is a gem.
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Apocalypse Now.


But still a pale shadow of Conrad's novel.

John


I've always been astounded that Heart of Darkness was written in Conrad's THIRD (!!!!!!) language.


Me too. The man had a great gift.

And I agree that Heart of Darkness remains chilling and extraordinary.

But Apocalypse Now isn't just a "pale shadow"; rather, an interesting interpretation very much worth seeing. Just don't buy the director's cut. I despise the director's cut.


You mean the redux? With the french plantation?
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So it's just me for Hard Target?



No, I am a fan also.. When I ask my iphone "what is the meaning of life" she has (twice) told me "42"....
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!



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That last story in Dubliners is a gem.


I agree with pretty much your entire previous post, Woland (but I haven't spent a year on A la recherche du temps perdu yet). But since this thread is about deep films, John Huston's film of The Dead is fantastic. Not "deep" in the sense that began the thread, but very deep emotionally.

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The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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Yes, Magnus, thank you. I have seen that lovely film. It does capture the depth of the story very well indeed. Since we're back on movies, let me mention two short films made for children that I have always found rather disturbing, the Red Ballon and White Mane, both by Albert Lamorisse - quite similar in theme. For a deep and disturbing film, what about "In a Lonely Place?"
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So it's just me for Hard Target?



No, I am a fan also.. When I ask my iphone "what is the meaning of life" she has (twice) told me "42"....


I recently started watching the "Big Bang Theory" on the television and noticed in the pilot episode that the Raj character was wearing a hat that said '42' on it.
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The current pope was elected on my 42nd birthday. Bad omen or good omen?

I wanted 42 on my jersey when I was coaching the Göttingen women's softball team, but one of our players on the baseball team had already chosen it. (I wore a jersey identical to what the baseball players wore. Truth be told, it seemed stupid to me to reserve that number for him; it wasn't like I was gonna join the baseball team and start whacking curve balls over the fence.) That kid earned my infinite respect for his choice. It's the greatest jersey number in baseball history.
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So it's just me for Hard Target?



No, I am a fan also.. When I ask my iphone "what is the meaning of life" she has (twice) told me "42"....


I recently started watching the "Big Bang Theory" on the television and noticed in the pilot episode that the Raj character was wearing a hat that said '42' on it.


IIRC Fox Mulder lived in apartment 42.

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Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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Oh I never noticed. That would be funny too.
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Jeff, was that robinsons number, or Ripken...? 42 is a "hitchhikers guide...:" thing.
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The current pope was elected on my 42nd birthday. Bad omen or good omen?


I share my birthday with Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon (LDS) religion.
When I was going to their church they all thought that was cool. When I left the church I think they decided I was the Anti-Smith because I haven't been visited by a missionary since.

Here, let me try a little numerology.
My B-Day is 12-23.
12*2 is 24. 24 is 42 backwards. As 'End of Days' taught me, religious images can appear backwards.
23*2 is 46, and if you take that 6 and divide it by 3, you get 2, leaving 42.
42-23 is 19, which was the age of the Mormon I was dating who talked me into going to the church. I was 24 at the time, a number which we've already covered.

Spooky.
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My birthday is 7/6. 7x6 = 42.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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And 7/6=1.166(repeating) 42/1.666=36ish.
36*2=72. 72-30=52, the year Douglas Adams was born.
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