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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
Well spotted Jon!!!
Firedice, lol. As Peter Kane once said,"Some people don't want entertaining they want exterminating". But in this case I think the performer needs to look closer to home. Good advice from Emily, one so young, and PSC, one so..well, one who knows what he's talking about. Heed the advice or just start wearing a mask. Regards, Paul |
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Dbzkid999 Elite user Canada 407 Posts |
Thnx Everyone!!!!!
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Eddy Special user Manchester 582 Posts |
Pesonally I have never had this problem, but as previously others have mentioned I rely on sleight of hand, and hardly ever gimmicks. That renders it impossible for anyone to spot owt, unless they see me performing the sleight badly.
La magie, c'est ma vie
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Michaels Elite user 412 Posts |
Dbzkid999,
Paul Chosse has great advice as always, however, from reading previous posts of yours Jon Allen's advice seems to be more apprapo. Only one of three things can be causing a grabby spectator---1) technique 2) presentation 3)audience control- almost always a result of good technique and presentation. Good luck and I hopes this helps. Michaels
"Our technology is ahead of our humanity"
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Gambit242 New user Monroe, La 68 Posts |
Great advice on this thread!
Thanks for sharing. Gambit242 |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
If someone grabs the cards, say, "Take over... do about six tricks and let me know when you are done?"
I had a grabby dame once and I just whipped off the table cloth and covered her, saying "I will make you levitate... sit still... get ready... it will take time..." blah blah blah
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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vootrage Regular user 105 Posts |
Its all about audience management. Make sure that you instruct them carefully so the will never feel the urge to grab in the first place. Some people just need to see things so have a back up plan (IE: another trick, deck switch). Or what you could do is say "WHOA calm down there, it wasn't that real was it" and place your left hand on their shoulder while your right hand ditches the deck.
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submagi Loyal user 216 Posts |
I perfer the poke of death, but whatever fits your style.
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hodge New user buckingham, england 11 Posts |
i perform the the invisible deck by using an ortiz handling called 'do as i did' the way its presented makes sure that the gaffed deck is not the effect, its the spectators selection from another deck that is the focus, so there is NO heat whatsoever on the gaff, leaving you to pocket it half way through the effect, out of sight out of mind, then you hit 'em with the climax.
there's some great pearls of wisdom coming out on this thread, good work guys |
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twistedace Inner circle philadelphia 3772 Posts |
Hey, it may not have been a presentational flaw FOR the trick, he may have done it very well and the people were just very curious. The problem I think was AFTER the trick was done and how he handled the audience then. You have to make sure you build a relationship kind of with the spectators while performing, an air of friendship always works for me. Also it could be a problem in your routining BEFORE the ID. If you do 4-5 tricks that don't work properly beforehand, as you said you have been having troubles, then immediately break out the ID and do a killer effect of course everyone is going to want to examine the cards because it worked almost too perfectly. Think about your routining and think about your audience management then focus on doing the tricks with your eyes closed.
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Michaels Elite user 412 Posts |
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On 2003-09-09 11:04, twistedace wrote: My point exactly, however, what an entertainer patters before and after the effect as well as how he or she control their performing space is part of presentation, therefore, it becomes part of audience control. Don't get me wrong, there will always be a grabby spectator, however as I stated before good technique and good presentation will diminish the frequency of the "grabbies". Michaels
"Our technology is ahead of our humanity"
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Steven Leung Inner circle found the Magic Rainbow after 1614 Posts |
Do some trick with a normal deck and let spectators examine the normal deck first, save brainwave / invisble deck for the last. Do a deck switch after you put the b'wave / invisible deck into your pocket.
After all, your patter is all the matter. Remember, have fun with magic and have fun with your audience.
Most memorable moment - with Maestro Juan Tamariz & Consuelo Lorgia in FISM Busan 2018.
"Being fooled by a trick doesn't always mean they are having a good time" - Homer Liwag https://hhpresents.com/ https://www.glitchstudiohk.com/ |
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Mito Veteran user Japan 319 Posts |
There's no such thing as a "blue-backed Brainwave deck"
The apparant colour depends on the chosen card. If you've been using a regular blue deck all night, and then switch to a Brainwave, there's a 50-50 chance that you'll suddenly be spreading what appears to be a red-backed deck. That's why I prefer the ID if it's part of a group of effects. Anyway, with the ID, how about calmly putting the deck into the case while the one card stays face-down on the table? Then, after showing it, if they want to see the deck, you whip out a regular one, and Presto. I was doing a version of OOTW the other day, with a shuffled deck, and when I handed the spec the last packet of cards to be dealt as she liked, she fanned them out, faces up. I think from now on I'll table the packet and have the spec remove one card at a time... |
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elmago Loyal user Northridge- Los Angeles, CA 272 Posts |
I heard that Eugene Burger (I think) was performing the I.D. and when the spectator demanded to see the cards, he said, "Here". The spectator spread the cards breifly for one second. The rough and smooth princpal kept the cards alingned and the spectator said, "Never mind". The point being that he psycologically took the heat off the cards by making a very bold move. I'm not recommending this, but there is a lesson here.
Miguel Rangel
"Excellence is not a single act; it's a habit" Shaq quoting Aristotle after winning NBA MVP.
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BroDavid Inner circle America’s North Coast, Ohio 3176 Posts |
When I was single and trying to impress a certain lady, I had that exact same experience with an ID.
She was a lady who (I learned quickly) didn't like being fooled, and after teh effect with the ID, she grabbed the deck right out of from hand before I could even react. I was new at magic then, and wasn't aware of the risks an unruly audience can present.... But, back to the story; She grabbed teh deck and had a death grip on it as she spread it, looking for "something.." . But she saw Absolutely NOTHING unusual. The cards stayed put, because as anyone with an ID knows, heavy pressure is NOT how to make it work.... so she was even more upset after she fanned it. Luckily, she didn't turn the deck over.... ;-) And I decided that she was a little too controlling for my style, so I moved on, and never tried to show her any more magic tricks. BroDavid
If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.
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GaryW Veteran user HSMagic 317 Posts |
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On 2003-09-09 23:53, Mito wrote: There most certainly is.. actually there are 2 of them The apparent color only depends on the chosen card (and deck). See my post on Brainwave "Twisted" as I'm looking for ways to make this gimmick 2X expand into something good! Quote:
On 2003-09-10 17:16, elmago wrote: From the store ID's I'd never do this with! The one's I've made I would trust for this event (but then again I own stock In Krylon). |
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jiggyjer Loyal user 215 Posts |
I have to agree with the previous posts about audience management. Obviously some people are just unruly, particularely in bars. If you can spot these people comming you can opt for a never fail effect and get out of dodge and save the good stuff for those who appreciate it. That said, when I do the ID, after I'm done I casually cut the card above the reversed card to the back and simplay place the daeck face down on the table on the outer limits of my personal space. I establish a nonchalont attitutude to the cards and even if someone did want to pick up the cards they are unlikely to since it would be rude. They are after all my cards, in my space!
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CardMaker Inner circle Ludwigsburg/GERMANY 1063 Posts |
Just an idea concerning the ID and its presentation. Reveal the thought-of card, place it on the table, face down. Put away the rest of the deck into your pocket. Reveal the chosen card. Pull out the so-called vanishing deck and put the card inside. Let the deck disappear by the help of the vanishing deck and ... that's amazing!
Well, it's not a proven presentation, but it might work? Ya, you guys got me - it needs a second frame, the ID was in. But it was just 'n idea.
CardMaker/Bernd Maucksch
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Red_Wing_II Regular user Enchanted Mitten 164 Posts |
This happened Yesterday.
I have a co-worker who I ocasionally use as the first to see an effect so I decided to set him up. I marked a deck of cards and proceeded to to pick out 3 "random cards" without seeing them and named flawlessly. He is used to these methods and suspected the deck was marked "which it was" so he gave me a deck from his drawer and bet me lunch I couldn't do it with this one. Well needless to say food is better free. The more way's to preform the same effect with differen't methods and with or without a gaffed deck the more respect you'll get. And if the audience respect's you, they don't want to see your cards. |
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Scott Ocheltree Veteran user 364 Posts |
I use an "Invisible Deck" as a close to my card set. I begin with two sets of Bicycle cards, one red, one blue and cards for a couple packet tricks, all held together with some rubber bands (good for CMH).
I begin by asking a spectator to "choose which deck we shall start with." They almost always choose the red deck, which is my ID. I then ask them to take that deck (in the box still) and to hold it in their hands. I then ask them to think of a card, and make it a difficult one to guess, not the Ace of Spades, but perhaps a number that is important to them. I leave them with the deck in their hands while I go on with the rest of my tricks with the blue deck. At the end I come back to the person holding the ID, and finally ask them to tell us the name of their card. I take the deck back and reveal that their card is upside down in the deck. If they choose the blue deck at the beginning I simply use Equivoque and say, "Fine, I will start with the blue deck. You take the red deck..." This avoids the heat on the gimmicked deck in a number of ways. For one, the spectator appears to have freely chosen which deck will have the inverted card, and they get to hold onto it for an extended period of time. On top of that, It helps to present a barrage of tricks as opposed to a one-off miracle. I believe stampeding your audience with a run of tricks, without giving them time to dissect each one before moving on, helps break down their intelectual resistance. If you show me one trick and stop, I will try to figure out what you did as though it were a puzzle. If you present me with a series of confounding events, it is harder for me to track what might be going on behind each one. I did have a funny event like this one happen not too long ago though. In my current routine I am using Aronson's Shuffle-Bored. after I finish that trick, I casually drop the loose deck into my left jacket pocket and perform a packet trick with cards already lying on the table. I then reach back into my pocket and retrieve another matching blue deck setup for Diamond Jack. It appears as though I am using the deck the spectators had just been repeatedly shuffling to tell the Diamond Jack story. Recently while doing this routine, about half way into Diamond Jack, one woman was looking extremely puzzled, then suddenly reached around me to feel my left jacket pocket, apparently guessing I must have switched the deck out. I gently shooed her away, telling her with a wink, to "behave". Afterwards, she said to me that she had thought I was using two different decks, but she had felt my pocket and nothing was there! I use a thin piece of cardboard in my pocket to seperate the two decks. I drop the first deck behind the cardboard (closest to my body) and retrieve the story deck from the outward side. When she felt my pocket from the outside the cardboard divider masked the extra deck of cards. |
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