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nycmagic New user New York, NY 54 Posts |
I've been fooled by Juan Tamariz doing a double (off a tabled deck) in his Double Ambitious card routine. He does it on one of his A-1 videos.
Jeremy |
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Doug Conn Loyal user 212 Posts |
Paul Wilson has some great touches on the push off double... Check out his site for a vid clip: http://www.rpaulwilson.com/videos.htm
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Loz Special user London 777 Posts |
I love the advice from Frank Starsini. Sprinkling in top changes is a great idea. Also, not burning the deck yourself as you do it. Off beats, eye contact etc etc. I am coming to believe this is the real skill in magic, and in some ways it's far harder to learn than sleights, but far more powerful.
As for avoiding breaks, I find the double push-off too unreliable, so I favour the automatic/strike double, where you lift off directly from the right hand long side with your right index finger. |
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
My brother in law has figured out my Paperclipped (Sankey) but missed the DL during the ACR. Then again, my 7 yr old saw my DL. I just got busted on a DL an hour or so ago but unsure if spectator saw it or just "knew" it happened.
I think I will add misdirection from now on.
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flea Regular user 122 Posts |
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On 2003-09-06 08:53, Seth wrote: One thing to remember is that when you have been doing card magic for a while, you tend to reason out how an effect is done. Even while the magician is doing it. I try to turn off this "magician's insight" when I view magic, but it isn't easy. Sometimes, I suspect, it's not that you see the double lift. You simply know that's what it must be. Just my $.02, Curtis |
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Chad Sanborn Inner circle my fingers hurt from typing, 2205 Posts |
I once read that a magician (whose name escapes me at the moment) experimented with a very unique push off double. He would cut the skin on his thumb to the exact depth of 2 cards. Then it was easy for him to push over 2 cards as one and keep them squarly aligned.
He didn't stick with the method though as it was only good for a day or so, until the skin started to heal up! Gross! Chad |
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CLJ Loyal user Singapore 281 Posts |
I was fooled when another magician did a Juan Tamariz (I think it's spelt that way) double sort of replacement where the card was left out-jogged on the deck.
The first time I saw a Dai Vernon, I could not believe that it was a double as well.
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magicjames1 New user England 67 Posts |
I saw some one at davenports show me the double lift. It was very convincing and I was even expecting it. The non magicians would never guess if it looked natural.
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Chad Sanborn Inner circle my fingers hurt from typing, 2205 Posts |
There is also a double lift from the center of the deck. Anyone know who originated this?
Chad |
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Dave Shepherd Regular user Washington, DC 116 Posts |
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On 2003-10-13 20:37, CLJ wrote: I think switch-outs, such as the Tamariz Turnover, are very effective in taking heat off the double lift/turnover. A combination of misdirection away from the move (probably the most important factor) and a switch-out to display a single card, is very effective in disarming the suspicious. |
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sullivanl Loyal user 277 Posts |
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On 2003-09-06 11:55, vinsmagic wrote: I second that! He does an amazing one handed double too! Asher's Silver surfer also got me the first time I saw it. |
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LR2 Regular user Humble, Texas 116 Posts |
Dai Vernon has a good double. And don't use David Blaine's double..I don't like it.
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Alewishus Inner circle parts unknown 1226 Posts |
One night after consumming copious amounts of alcohol, I went into the wrong hotel room. My wifes twin sister was staying at the same hotel, but across the hall from where me and the wife were, and this was the room I entered!
Well, I climbed in beside her - the wives twin sister - and as she only perfunctorily tried to stave off my advances, we settled into a long night of tepid love-making. In the morning I went out for a run, and then returned, this time to my wifes room! Was I fooled by my wifes double, her twin? Absolutley not! A.
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ziatro Veteran user Havant, England 322 Posts |
No matter how good a DL may look, as magicians we tend to be suspicious when we see a fellow magician turn over a card on the deck, and this is the reason that it is much easier to fool a magician with a single than a double. To prove this, get a one way forcing deck and do your best DL but only turn a single then turn it face down, and push the card into the middle of the deck and show it has risen to the top, it will fool a magician every time. But for people with no knowledge of magic, if a double is perfectly executed and doesn't look totally unnatural it will fool every time.
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Sensio Special user I promise I won't exceed 641 Posts |
Well this topic has attracted many experienced and famous members of the forum! This is the beauty with the DL, I think that most magicians are in some sort of love with the particular move...
My opinion is that if you approach things from the magicians' point of view, then you will probably run out of routines and moves since magicians are so much knowledgeable that will most probably figure you out. However, someone must always be aware that laymen may be wise enough to suspect that you are using a DL and this in turn means that you must a) protect your move from flashing b) be natural c) avoid any flashing get-ready and most importantly d)combine it with different moves throughout your routine so you may confuse them and "paralyse" their analysis process.... As far as fellow magicians are concerned, I don't give a penny if they will or not suspect my move - I always remind to myself that I must be impressive and convincing to the audience I have decided to direct my efforts which of course are laymen and only laymen (smarter or not, a bit knowleadgeable on magic or not)... bests, aware |
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adgnyc Loyal user New York City 293 Posts |
If I have been fooled by a double (which is entirely possible), by definition I wouldn't know, so I can't really say. I've definitely NOT been fooled by doubles many, many times. Some of these, though, I have admired, assuming that if I had been a layman I would have been bamboozled.
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ventman Loyal user 281 Posts |
Asher's Diving Board Double and Benetar's Slippery Double.
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