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Rus ANDREWS Inner circle 1451 Posts |
Hi
The selection method in numbers was eliminated when rerun was released, also if you use numbers in reverse using the face up deck you can hit all the numbers not possible the face down way if that makes sense, this was mentioned in rerun. Whatever shin has done I look forward to seeing it, as this is one if my favourite plots. I always appreciate people taking amazing plots further to better the method. R |
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Jan Walla Loyal user Before you disappear I surround you with 255 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 12:35, zhoudumu wrote: As Dave said in the review. Quote: 'The hits are between 30-40% for it to be super clean.' The other, let's say 70%, needs probably one of the following handlings: -Taking away the Promo Card and one or both Jokers -Counting from the top/bottom -Cutting the deck and counting from the top or bottom half -Taking cards away instead of counting to the number What I absolutely don't like and what doesn't make sense is that you use a 'sealed' deck. Any regular card player (and there are many here in the States) knows that a new deck is never 'shuffled' It does look amazing but I want to see at least 5 consecutive performances and read some reviews first. I have thoroughly read the Berglas Effects by Richard Kaufman. This book is worth it's weight in gold and about the master of the ACAAN plot. It is very hard to do but I will take the time to study it. I haven't seen any handling that yet comes close to Berglas'.
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MovieMan Special user 569 Posts |
I wonder if someone who knows all three methods could eventually do a review of Think, Numbers and the Grail, listing pros and cons of each, since the effects are so close...
Not sure that would be possible without exposing too much of the methods, though... |
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KyleMacNeill Inner circle 2757 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 13:01, Jan Walla wrote: You don't have to use a sealed deck, I agree with how it makes sense, so when I get it I won't use a sealed deck Best, Kyle |
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KyleMacNeill Inner circle 2757 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 13:01, Jan Walla wrote: You don't have to use a sealed deck, I agree with how it doesn't make sense if you do, so when I get it I won't use a sealed deck Best, Kyle |
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MichaelB Regular user 153 Posts |
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As Dave said in the review. Quote: 'The hits are between 30-40% for it to be super clean.' Kudos to you Jan Walla for that post you made. What you wrote in your post is much of what I feel like has been lurking in the background or just under the surface if you will with all of these demos/product quotes etc. on this plot. It's what reasonable minds would suspect but not being acknowledged by the creators/demonstrators/reviewers of the effects. And I agree in principle with your statement about consecutive demonstrations of different numbers. It seems almost disingenuous to be showing demos with exact "hits" or almost exact hits without addressing or at least acknowledging with some detail the other possible and very likely scenarios. |
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zhoudumu Regular user philadelphia 172 Posts |
I have no problem to do the first two handlings, which is what I guess it will be.
But the latter two are not what I want, though I do not know what "Taking cards away instead of counting to the number" mean. ps. I replayed the video. I did not see Dave said 'The hits are between 30-40% for it to be super clean". He only said there is no multiple outs. Did I miss something. [quote]On 2011-11-09 13:01, Jan Walla wrote: As Dave said in the review. Quote: 'The hits are between 30-40% for it to be super clean.' The other, let's say 70%, needs probably one of the following handlings: -Taking away the Promo Card and one or both Jokers -Counting from the top/bottom -Cutting the deck and counting from the top or bottom half -Taking cards away instead of counting to the number |
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rowland Inner circle 1526 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 12:49, MichaelB wrote: It is absolutley correct that had 35 been chosen it would have looked exactly the same. |
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lumberjohn Special user Memphis, TN 626 Posts |
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As Dave said in the review. Quote: 'The hits are between 30-40% for it to be super clean.' The other, let's say 70%, needs probably one of the following handlings: -Taking away the Promo Card and one or both Jokers -Counting from the top/bottom -Cutting the deck and counting from the top or bottom half -Taking cards away instead of counting to the number [/quote] Dave also clearly said in response to Craig's question there were NO MULTIPLE OUTS. Unless he was just flat out lying, that would preclude all of the things you mention. Multiple outs means that you take different actions based upon what the spectator names. The fact that there are no MO's means that the procedure must be the same every time. That makes me very interested in this effect. |
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Jan Walla Loyal user Before you disappear I surround you with 255 Posts |
Let's say that you have to hit 15 but the spectator says 14. You would tell them 'take away' 14 cards instead of 'count down' 14 cards.
They take away 14 cards and the next card is the chosen one or the one at 'the number'
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Jan Walla Loyal user Before you disappear I surround you with 255 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 13:48, lumberjohn wrote: As Dave said in the review. Quote: 'The hits are between 30-40% for it to be super clean.' The other, let's say 70%, needs probably one of the following handlings: -Taking away the Promo Card and one or both Jokers -Counting from the top/bottom -Cutting the deck and counting from the top or bottom half -Taking cards away instead of counting to the number [/quote] Dave also clearly said in response to Craig's question there were NO MULTIPLE OUTS. Unless he was just flat out lying, that would preclude all of the things you mention. Multiple outs means that you take different actions based upon what the spectator names. The fact that there are no MO's means that the procedure must be the same every time. That makes me very interested in this effect. [/quote] Yes BUT as we all know is that that would be real magic right? IF Dave was not lying then that leaves only one option: The prediction can change...?
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zhoudumu Regular user philadelphia 172 Posts |
That is not a big issue. Even including that I still do not think it is enough to cover the whole effect.
Still the question where did you get the quote about 30% thing Quote:
On 2011-11-09 13:52, Jan Walla wrote: |
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Nicolino Inner circle 2893 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 13:32, zhoudumu wrote: Yes, he was stating "30%, 40%, 50% it'd be super clean"
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zhoudumu Regular user philadelphia 172 Posts |
All right I got it , it is said before the performance.
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On 2011-11-09 14:03, Nicolino wrote: |
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4192 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 13:58, Jan Walla wrote: Yes, look at it... It's what I think... odd looking prediction ... (8H, 8D, 3H, 3D)... Jan
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zhoudumu Regular user philadelphia 172 Posts |
I am not worried about the prediction card as long as it can be showed clearly. I am more concerned about the counting for the deck.
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On 2011-11-09 14:11, JanForster wrote: |
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Jan Walla Loyal user Before you disappear I surround you with 255 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 14:03, Nicolino wrote: He says it at 14:35 Min. So I ask you all what happens at the other 70%? The deck looks normal. What else is left if there are absolutely no multiple outs?
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MichaelB Regular user 153 Posts |
My guess is he is referring to "multiple outs" as being actual different "prediction cards" vs. just different scenarios to arrive at same prediction.
- - - - - - - rowland, in reference to the Grail and Grail demo, and your comment that "It is absolutley correct that had 35 been chosen it would have looked exactly the same." then the clarification I'd be curious about is that my reason (as I stated in my original post) for throwing out the number "35" was that the number "35" is obviously not just one off from a stated "hit" (11 one off from 12). The point of my inquiry was to clarify the "hits" (or almost exact hits) from the other possible (and likely) and not as favorable outcomes. If there is something unique about "35" then that is perhaps a bad example. 12 and 11 are good what can be expected from some of the other not so "good" numbers? how much "fumbling" when removing pack from case? or how much additional "bits of business" must be added to revelation? |
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Jan Walla Loyal user Before you disappear I surround you with 255 Posts |
How many 8's and 3's are in the deck?
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4192 Posts |
Excellent, Jan...
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