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cablerock Veteran user 362 Posts |
Hey,
I have a few of each. A clad half [, a silver half [, two regular english penny [s and an expanded english penny [. I find that one of the non expanded pennies fits all the way over its matching coin. I can show both sides of the coin at a very close distance without worrying about somebody detecting the gaff. Since the half dollars have the milled edge (I forget the proper term), I don't feel confident displaying the "tails" side of the coin when it is nested. Will better [s fix this, or is this always the case? |
J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
I don’t understand the problem yet. Why don’t you feel confident displaying the Tails side of the half? (Other than "it has milled edges"). First, most shells do NOT cover the regular coin completely. You wouldn’t want them to do so. Tougher to remove it, and the rim edge will show on the insert side when nested. The better shells fit about 2/3 or maybe 3/4 of the way down. Remember, spectators aren't supposed to get a good, slow, up-close look at the nested shell, just as you wouldn’t normally show them a regualr coin like that. Just handle a nested shell about the same way you handle a normal coin and the spec won't see anything out of the ordinary.
Sometimes people expect their gaff coins to be as examinable - or more so - than regular coins! Just treat 'em like normal and they should be "invisible". Jim |
volto Special user 603 Posts |
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On 2011-11-10 23:14, cablerock wrote: I think, both, but it doesn't matter. Better [s are less visible, for sure, but in my experience [s are always visible to some extent, so it's always the case. It doesn't matter, because the pace of the routine should carry the audience along. Even if the pace of the routine is slow, they will still be struggling to keep up. They're more focussed on understanding what you're presenting to them, than backtracking the logic of their own assumptions. Also, why show them both sides of an innocent coin? If you think about effects that you already perform with innocent coins, I bet you don't "show" them as fully as you do the gaffed ones. So, it's a coin. Why show both sides? In my Hopping halves routine I do (very casually) show the dirty side of one of the coins, but it doesn't matter, because they're looking in my eyes, they're trying to keep up with the plot, the coin is in motion and I'm handling the coin like a coin. My HH set isn't even that great; you could clearly see that something's amiss if you looked - but they don't look. I only do this because it's the most natural way to move the coins in the context of the routine. Some gaffs, like s*n and moon coins, coin un*que and scotch and s*da, are almost invisible, but like J-Mac says, you don't really want that in a sh*ll. That's what I think anyhow. Ymmv. |
cablerock Veteran user 362 Posts |
Thanks guys. I guess the answer is clear. I shouldn't have to show both sides. Now that I think about it, I never really expected them to seem invisible, but when I got the english penny [s I was really impressed with how undetectable a couple of them are, so I thought that might be useful.
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
Here is an illusion to help you: just show the coin with the shell side exposed at the fingertips; then rotate you hand inwards as for looking at the exposed face of the coin yourself. Then rotate your hand back to its original position. You haven't turned the coin over but the audience feels that you did. Don't worry about heads and tails: in copper silver routines the perception of coins by spectators is such that people notice the nature of the coin more than its actual value or its position (head or tail)
Don't take my word for it: just try it (actually this is an unrecorded feint that comes back in several of John Ramsay's routine).
Magic is the art of emotionally sharing live impossible situations
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
My take on this is that it is a case of running when you are not being chased. I have always shown both sides of a [d coin. The trick is to just be casual and remember you are undoubtedly displaying quite a few coins.
That said, in addition to Etienne's wonderful approach - you have been missed Monsieur - Bob Elliot had a DIABOLICAL switching technique that actually presents a POWERFUL illusion of allowing the spectator to actually examine the culprit coin. You may want to track down his lecture notes from around 2002. I do not know if anyone is selling these. You MIGHT ask John Blake at East Coast Magic. In 2002 we had Bob lecture at our IBM Ring - and in fact named it after him. Ahimsa, Vlad |
Akal Singh New user 87 Posts |
You can always palm off the [, have the coins examined, and then load it back on. Ammar teaches this (I think) during Roth's Shadow Coins, a 4 coin plus [ routine. There, he hands the coins out in pairs so that there is some misdirection for the palming and loading. Best!
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