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Hi, I'm just starting to become an expert at the card table. Im now trying to learn how to Bottom deal. I know seconds are very useful, maybe some centers or greek shuffles also, what does an expert con also needs?

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I think bottom deal is useless now. Greek deal and center are too difficult to use in a real game. It's more magician stuff for gambling demonstration.
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On 2011-11-28 16:17, Logston wrote:
what does an expert con also needs?

......larceny in his blood and a hungry family to feed.

All the rest is hype and marketing.
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On 2011-11-28 17:51, alliance wrote:
I think bottom deal is useless now. Greek deal and center are too difficult to use in a real game. It's more magician stuff for gambling demonstration.


Is there still a way to make money then?
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On 2011-11-28 16:17, Logston wrote:
Hi, I'm just starting to become an expert at the card table. Im now trying to learn how to Bottom deal. I know seconds are very useful, maybe some centers or greek shuffles also, what does an expert con also needs?

Logston.



An exit strategy.


Artifice, Ruse and Running Shoes at the Card Table.
"Is there any point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
"To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."
"The dog did nothing in the night-time."
"That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.
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I practise about 3 or 4 hours a day on bottoms, I feel that soon they wil be perfect. Sometimes I don't even see the diference between a normal and a bottom, I know I can cheat with this move. Im just asking for some other good moves.

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On 2011-11-28 18:43, Logston wrote:
I know I can cheat with this move.
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I said it and I say it again, "Artifice, Ruse and Running Shoes at the Card Table."
"Is there any point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
"To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."
"The dog did nothing in the night-time."
"That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.
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On 2011-11-28 21:51, panlives wrote:
I said it and I say it again, "Artifice, Ruse and Running Shoes at the Card Table."


Thanks, Didn't get that the first time.

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[quote]On 2011-11-28 18:10, Logston wrote:
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Is there still a way to make money then?


Yeah, go to school, study hard and get a job.
Forget all this foolishness, if you got to ask here to learn, youre an emergency room patient waiting to happen.
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It all depends on the card table.
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Hey I'm not trying to be mean but you did not "perfect" your bottom deal you can spend you entire life just practicing one single slight and by how much your practicing I would say maybe 10 years until you have perfected your bottom deal. Secondly Learn the basics (false shuffles and cuts,passes and misdirection)before you even consider to try and learn centers and the Greek deal, I have been practicing gambling slights for around 2 years and I JUST started to learn centers, and as for cheating at a real game please make sure you have a very good pair of running shoes and a first aid kit. I sincerely wish you the best of luck

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Try to master riffle stacking. That's your best bet.
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Logston, read your first post and your third one... You sound like blackeagle
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On 2011-11-28 17:51, alliance wrote:
I think bottom deal is useless now. Greek deal and center are too difficult to use in a real game. It's more magician stuff for gambling demonstration.


Depends entirely on the table. There were games where I based dealt pretty much the entire way through. Also depends on the use of a cut card or not.
You can't say : bottoms are useless now. They are still as useful today as they were 15 years ago. It just depends on knowing the company and the table you are in (aka. psychology is more important then any sleight).

Safest way to cheat? Work in cahoots and make up some code. Also ringing in a cooler is 1 move a night instead of 50+ moves a night (or whatever you fancy).
Another way to win at poker is to be actually good at poker (or the game you are playing). That way you can make people give them your money even when not advantage playing.

Riffle stacking was mentioned before. When done correctly, it looks absolutely convincing.
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On 2011-11-30 07:07, Erdnase27 wrote:
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On 2011-11-28 17:51, alliance wrote:
I think bottom deal is useless now. Greek deal and center are too difficult to use in a real game. It's more magician stuff for gambling demonstration.


Depends entirely on the table. There were games where I based dealt pretty much the entire way through. Also depends on the use of a cut card or not.
You can't say : bottoms are useless now. They are still as useful today as they were 15 years ago. It just depends on knowing the company and the table you are in (aka. psychology is more important then any sleight).

Safest way to cheat? Work in cahoots and make up some code. Also ringing in a cooler is 1 move a night instead of 50+ moves a night (or whatever you fancy).
Another way to win at poker is to be actually good at poker (or the game you are playing). That way you can make people give them your money even when not advantage playing.

Riffle stacking was mentioned before. When done correctly, it looks absolutely convincing.



Reads well.

'Nuff said.
"Is there any point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
"To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."
"The dog did nothing in the night-time."
"That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.
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On 2011-11-29 20:23, DavidGold wrote:
Hey I'm not trying to be mean but you did not "perfect" your bottom deal you can spend you entire life just practicing one single slight and by how much your practicing I would say maybe 10 years until you have perfected your bottom deal. Secondly Learn the basics (false shuffles and cuts,passes and misdirection)before you even consider to try and learn centers and the Greek deal, I have been practicing gambling slights for around 2 years and I JUST started to learn centers, and as for cheating at a real game please make sure you have a very good pair of running shoes and a first aid kit. I sincerely wish you the best of luck

David


Dear David, maybe that story tells more about yourself than it tells about me. Smile

Erdnase27 Thank you very much for the useful comment

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Remember that it is not enough to just master one single technique most of the time. For example, you could master a bottom deal, but it would be quite useless without knowledge of the bottom cards (so a cull should be mastered, a false shuffle to keep the bottom stock intact and a method to nullify the cut, for example a shift[not that advicable], copping the cards or using a partner).

It isn't that much a matter of what is the most useful , in the end everything just flows together.
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On 2011-11-30 06:14, iamslow wrote:
Logston, read your first post and your third one... You sound like blackeagle


Wow, logston does sound like me.

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Dear David, maybe that story tells more about yourself than it tells about me


Easy on the retorts, they don't get you anywhere.

I know, its hypocritical for me to say that but it is true...
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