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On 2012-02-04 14:39, tommy wrote:
If you say so. What is the reason for them not having a dealer, Lady Fingers will deal anywhere?

Okay, good question.

As time goes on, more and more private games (non-card room, non-rake games) are starting to use private hired dealers to deal their game. Often two dealers are employed for this. These games are held in the homes of well-to-do players, are played among friends (professional people, business people and executives).

The reason that many of these private games still don’t used hired center dealers is it is a game among friends and because fear of the word getting out about their high stakes home game and the real possibility of getting robbed. Plus in those kinds of games, many people enjoy shuffling and dealing the cards themselves and feel they have no need for a professional center dealer. Also, sometimes it is not feasible. They may start a game amongst themselves after a round of round of golf at the country club.

I have been in quite a few of these private games and the setting, atmosphere and camaraderie is much more pleasant, enjoyable and non-professional than playing in card rooms for many people. Also, some of these people do not want everyone in their local area to know they play in high stake poker games, especially in their homes, as they feel their reputation may be somewhat tainted.

In these type games, you usually have to be invited to gain entry, known as being financially successful in the community, have a good reputation, successful business, doctor, lawyer, etc. To some of these people, playing poker in a public card room is somewhat distasteful. They are not snobs as such but may not be interested in playing with the general public. Let’s face it, you can run into anyone in a public card room, some of whom can be quite undesirable. Even though it is high stakes, to them their private game is just a friendly poker game among friends. Hiring a center dealer gives it that "professional" onus.

Regarding your Lady Fingers remark, after the word got out that "Shooter" was looking to compromise the game and let the Cincinatti Kid win by cheating, center dealers got a bad reputaion for a long time. Besides, that was many years ago and Lady Fingers now has a bad case of arthritis and can't deal anymore, although I hear her daughter deals even better than she and is a real whiz with the tickets.
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Cagliostro is rght on about the reasons for not having a dealer at private games. Stakes get out, winners get out,losers get out. The name says it all "private games". They are just that, private. No ones business but the players. As I said earlier in this post if a dealer is involved all kind of info gets out. The first thing out of peoples mouth is, what kind of stakes do they play for if they have their own delaer? They must be big gamblers.

Simply put it is none of anyones business what stakes we play for or if we even play. Also a lot of things said and discussed at these games is among the players at the game, not for a dealer's ears.
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Such is the nature of speakeasy's that I can't tell you where it is, but it's a fantastic little cosy venue that has hosted some of the biggest games in the UK over the last few decades and seen some of the biggest names grace its tables. It's a very friendly place, not in any way like some of the backroom venues you hear horror stories about, and if you ever are lucky enough to be offered an invite to this heart of England poker, snap it up. Top dealers, waitress service, good food and and so on. How much cash do you think the players for the High Stakes Cash Game bring here? ZERO!

Have your; professional people, business people and executives invited to gain entry, known as being financially successful in the community, have a good reputation, successful business, doctor, lawyer, etc ever heard of a little thing called a cheque?

Do you really think high stakes players turn up at the biggest private cash games in world with suitcases full of cash?



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Is this fantastic place far from me Smile?
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Usually around Sussex...

Lemme guess... Are you a Villan?
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Well a couple of hours away I guess.

Very good guess. In fact sometimes some the players are here.
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I deserve no credit, I've got a good IP analyzer...

Hey, this summer maybe, who knows? If you could setup a Chicago game for me... I really like this game but it's hard to find guys who knows the rules in UK Smile.
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On 2012-02-05 14:06, tommy wrote:
Have your; professional people, business people and executives invited to gain entry, known as being financially successful in the community, have a good reputation, successful business, doctor, lawyer, etc ever heard of a little thing called a cheque?

Dumb question. What do you think?

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Do you really think high stakes players turn up at the biggest private cash games in world with suitcases full of cash?

Is that a rhetorical question or just another sarcastic and silly question?
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I don't think how high stakes games are run, I know. I think you are a dreamer. Is that clear enough for you?
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On 2012-01-31 15:01, kcg5 wrote:
So, you knew a dice cheat who had a billion dollars? Did he want to sell you any bridges?


Yes I did. You need to study how ALL the cocaine came into America in the 1980's especially when America was in on it. They tried to put the blame on Oliver North for doing so but he explains what really happened at his trial.

Bottom Line: You seen Scare Face? Do you remember the guy who had Scare Face killed? Well this is how high the position was that he held.

Memory Lane: I remember one day gambling at a gambling spot when my best friend who I taught how cheat came in with this medium height dark skinned guy and another guy who I learned later on to be his chauffeur. He stood around for a minute looking at every one gambling when all of a sudden my friend called me over to introduce me to him. As I went to shake his hand I saw that his nails were long and that he had gold all over his wrist, neck and fingers. If he wasn't rich he sure looked it and this was that expensive gold. He said "do you want to make some real money," I said "yeah." He said come with me. As we got in the back of his limo to go eat, he started talking about all of his gambling escapades and then he went on into talking about his illegal activities. I eventually said something regarding one of my idols at that time "John Gotti." He shrugged his head and in his island voice said, "Gotti ain't nothing but a worker." I said to myself this man has got to be crazy, Gotti is the man.

Years later when I found out who this man really was, what he was all about, what he did and his position with the Columbians, to him John Gotti was a worker. When someone brings something into town or your country and it's given to you to sell....you're worker.

This not Magic, this is real talk.

So kcg5 if you don't believe me or believe that he was a billionaire just go to St. Maarten or to Columbia and bad mouth this guy to the cartels and see if you make it back home alive.


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On 2012-02-05 16:41, tommy wrote:
I don't think how high stakes games are run, I know. I think you are a dreamer. Is that clear enough for you?

You may possibly know how the games are run in a card room rake-game format. That is not rocket science and no doubt many poker dealers know how to do that. It is somewhat like working behind the counter in a retail store. However, I doubt you have played in any high stake games yourself. Dealing and/or supervising these games is not the same as playing in them.

It seems like you are very defensive, feel threatened by my posts and are continually struggling to discredit them and prove something about yourself. To paraphrase Shakespeare, “You protest too much.”

Talk about dreaming. Are you still looking for those Martians you mentioned previously on one of your posts?

You have not only tipped your hole card about yourself, you are now playing it face up.

Let me ask you, have you been potty trained yet?
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Unlike you I can prove what I say. What you think does not matter a jot to me.
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On 2012-02-05 18:48, tommy wrote:
Unlike you I can prove what I say. What you think does not matter a jot to me.

Gee, I am very disappointed to hear that as I so much wanted for us to be friends. You’re approval is very important to me and I think you are making a snap decision here.

But let me ask you, how long have you been dealing poker in the UK? Are the tips pretty good considering the economic downturn that has occurred?

Also, how good are you at dealing other games? For example, in addition to poker can you deal games like the Big Six Wheel or perhaps Chuck-a-Luck?

Just curious.

Oh, by the way. I am compiling a complete list of all the games I have played in over the last twenty years, both private and casino, including the location, date and time, game number where applicable, bankroll requirements, names and addresses of players (in private games), how much I won and very importantly player and casino references in this regard. As I said, I do want your approval and am happy to publish this information on a public forum for your edification.
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I eventually said something regarding one of my idols at that time "John Gotti." He shrugged his head and in his island voice said, "Gotti ain't nothing but a worker." I said to myself this man has got to be crazy, Gotti is the man.

Years later when I found out who this man really was, what he was all about, what he did and his position with the Columbians, to him John Gotti was a worker. When someone brings something into town or your country and it's given to you to sell....you're worker.

Respectfully,

Doc


The Columbians are a whole different ballgame entriely, their main business was junk and they were bringing in sick amounts of money and the cartels were like a second government. Hell, over there they might have been even more powerful than the real govt, lol. Of course they look down their noses at the wiseguys as a whole as their business made they wiseguys look small in comparison, so I could see how this guy could say that.
By the way, your idol was lucky he went away for life when he did, he stays on the street, hes dead within a few years, known fact. The guy was hated.
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Me? I am just the pot washer! The bosses chair is over there with Mr Cagliostro in it. Smile
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Do you think there is much money laundering going on by way of chip-dumping in casino poker cash games? Is there an advantage to being aware its going on if you are playing in the game where its happeming? To give us some perspective how much does a kilo cost in lets say New York? How would they go about dumping that amount, what size game and so on? Could one spot it if it was going on? I have never thought about it or been on the look out for it. I was just thinking there must some of it going on and if one can spot it then there must an advantage in knowing it at the table?
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Do you think there is much money laundering going on by way of chip-dumping in casino poker cash games? Is there an advantage to being aware its going on if you are playing in the game where its happeming? To give us some perspective how much does a kilo cost in lets say New York? How would they go about dumping that amount, what size game and so on? Could one spot it if it was going on? I have never thought about it or been on the look out for it. I was just thinking there must some of it going on and if one can spot it then there must an advantage in knowing it at the table?


What in the name of God are you talking about?

Money laundering in a cash game in a casino for drugs? WTF? You would have to have one heck of a huge game going on. With a huge buy in.

What would be the point? How could this possibly work?
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What in the name of God are you talking about?

It would not have to be a large game at all. It would depend on how big a dealer you were and how much you needed to launder. Not all drug dealers are Pablo Escobar. Lets you that you sold a Kilo? What would that be, lets say 25 grand. Now you need to account for it if asked. So you give it to your pal and both play in the casino cash game for week if you like and your pal dumps to you so if the cops now ask where you you got the 25 grand from you can now say that you won it at the casino in a game of poker. And be able to prove it. That is what I am talking about in the name of God.
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What in the name of God are you talking about?

It would not have to be a large game at all. It would depend on how big a dealer you were and how much you needed to launder. Not all drug dealers are Pablo Escobar. Lets you that you sold a Kilo? What would that be, lets say 25 grand. Now you need to account for it if asked. So you give it to your pal and both play in the casino cash game for week if you like and your pal dumps to you so if the cops now ask where you you got the 25 grand from you can now say that you won it at the casino in a game of poker. That is what I am talking about in the name of God.


The dumping just does not make sense to me. In a cash game you sign nothing when you cash in your chips. Just let him get the chips and give them to you and cash them in at your leisure.

I play a lot of cash games at the casinos and there are not very many where you can exchange $25,000 between friends. That is a fairly big game. Any way it is where I come from.

With max buyins it would be about 1/4 million dollars plus on the table. In holdem you would be talking about a game with the blinds being at a mininum of $100 and $200. The max limit on the buy in of this game would probably cap around $30,000. That would make it about 150 times the big blind which is around where they cap a buy in with that blind structure.

Again not to many of these games around and when one does come around it is not that easy to get in. Trust me you are not going to be able to dump $25,000 to one guy to easily in this game without raising some eyebrows. These are not the guys from town going to a day at the casino. I just do not see it working as a money laundering opportunity.
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